Posts by OrphanCrow

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Jehovah's Witnesses Crimes Against Fellow Jehovah's Witness Victims

by Hecce in

i ran a search and it seems that this was not posted before, there are 5 pages of criminal cases involving jws.. in the following criminal cases, the watchtower society - jehovah's witnesses religion served as the spiritual element of the perpetrator's and/or other actor's formative environment, or otherwise served as a major influencer of the perpetrator's and/or other actor's behavior.

the following cases are often tragic, and speak for themselves.. http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/familicide4.html.

OrphanCrow

The pages that expose JWs who have exploited fellow JWs in financial scams are invaluable.

JWs are especially vulnerable to con artists and the JWs have many who will take advantage of those who don't know any better.

I found this page to be especially interesting:

http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/NewsReports/2062.html

The details of Goldfarb's and Prodi's involvement in the pornography industry are revealing.

And at the end of their escapades...this little item:

Click this AMICUS CURIE BRIEF link to see who the members of the U.S. Congress and U.S. Senate sought out in 1998 to provide them with expert information regarding the intricacies of credit card processing in the Internet Pornography industry. Yes, one of the experts interviewed was a Manager employed at ATS named Scott Lockwood. Google that name along with the keyterms "jehovah's" and "software".

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Blood Transfusions/Blood Salvage

by NJ501 in

hi all,i've been doing some research on blood transfusions and fractions.

i found out a patient can donate their own blood, so it can be used for elective surgery...i was wondering if theirs really any difference between a blood transfusion of your own blood and the blood salvage procedure.

i think quite similar since its just a re-transfusion of your own blood.. what are your thoughts?

OrphanCrow

NJ501: I think quite similar since its just a re-transfusion of your own blood.

It isn't the same.

When you get an autologous transfusion, where you have pre-donated your own blood, you get your blood back. Simple. Give. Store. Give. Store. And maybe give again. Store. Transfuse same blood back into patient. (or not). This type of blood transfusion is straightforward but isn't used much - it was popular back in the early days of the HIV/Aids scare. However, the administrative burden added substantial cost to this method of donating. And, not everyone is a candidate for this type of specialized service. But, it can be done and still is in some cases.

Cell salvage is quite different than that. In cell salvage, the shed blood from a surgical site is suctioned up and put into a canister to be processed and cleaned. And, then the packed red cells that are left are re-tranfused into the patient. The filtration process strips away platelets and other components of the blood that are needed for coagulation. The only part of the blood that a patient gets returned to them is the oxygen-carrying cells - the packed red cells.

And, it is by examining that process, cell salvage and filtration/processing, that a person begins to understand why the JWs are allowed those "minor" fractions of blood.

However, the WT never does explain how that "pouring on the ground" part of the bible verse applies in the use of cell salvage machines.

This court case describes a cell salvage procedure being used during a surgery:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/pa-superior-court/1868129.html

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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities

by jw news 2017 in

"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .

sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".

quoted text from the web page :.

OrphanCrow

Sentencing magistrate Bernadette Boss said it was "most unfortunate" that, as has happened before, a church failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.
It made the church complicit and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," Dr Boss said.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/former-jehovahs-witness-jailed-for-historical-sex-offences-against-young-sisters-20170724-gxhjcb.html

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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

OrphanCrow

Like I said...good luck with that, Fishy

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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

OrphanCrow

fisherman: Russian government has a legal obligation to implement rulings of international human rights bodies established by international treaties such as ECHR.

Good luck with that.

Russia refuses to accept any ruling from the ECHR that goes against Russia's constitution

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russian-federation-constitutional-court-allows-country-to-ignore-echr-rulings/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-signs-law-allowing-russian-court-to-overthrow-international-human-rights-rulings-a6773581.html

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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

OrphanCrow

fisherman: But suppose WT wins in ECHR, what enforcement powers does the Court have?

None

What consequences for Russia if they defy ECHR judgment ?

see above

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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

OrphanCrow

I'm still thinking about this claim...and wondering if it has any truth

no small part was played by the contributions of well to do Jehovah's Witnesses. One of them alone, Michael Jackson, who came from a family of Witnesses, is said to have donated his Russian brothers and sisters one and a half million dollars.

The property for the Admin Center was purchased in Nov/Oct '96.

Michael Jackson was in Moscow September 1996

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCg2LTz3X_I

"Stranger In Moscow"

I was wandering in the rain
Mask of life, feelin' insane
Swift and sudden fall from grace
Sunny days seem far away
Kremlin's shadow belittlin' me
Stalin's tomb won't let me be
On and on and on it came
Wish the rain would just let me

How does it feel (How does it feel)
How does it feel
How does it feel
When you're alone
And you're cold inside

Here abandoned in my fame
Armageddon of the brain
KGB was doggin' me
Take my name and just let me be
Then a beggar boy called my name
Happy days will drown the pain
On and on and on it came
And again, and again, and again...
Take my name and just let me be

How does it feel (How does it feel)
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel (How does it feel now)
How does it feel
How does it feel
When you're alone
And you're cold inside

How does it feel (How does it feel)
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel (How does it feel now)
How does it feel
How does it feel
When you're alone
And you're cold inside

Like stranger in Moscow
(Lord have mercy)
Like stranger in Moscow
(Lord have mercy)

[2x]
We're talkin' danger
We're talkin' danger, baby
Like stranger in Moscow

[2x]
I'm living lonely
I'm living lonely, baby
Stranger in Moscow

[KGB interrogator (Russian to English translation):]
"Why have you come from the West?
Confess! To steal the great achievements of the people, the accomplishments of the workers..."

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: Jeezus.
There's regular, garden-variety stupid...
...and then there's epic, fatal facepalming, Here-Comes-Honey-Boo-Boo-roadkill-eating stupid.

Well, the kind of stupid that is being put on display in this court case is simply Watchtower stupidity. The poor man who lost his daughter simply believed all the crap that he has been told by the WT and their associates. That is all that happened. He believed the WT propaganda. He believed in the 'miracle' of so-called 'bloodless medicine'. He believed that there was some sort of magical team of 'bloodless experts' who would give his daughter all that specialized attention that the noblood people have promised the JWs.

Here is what the JWs are told:

Bloodless surgery has been called the "Gold Standard" because of its known advantages over traditional surgery.

Bloodless surgery techniques involve meticulous study and skill. While a cooperative surgeon, a surgeon who is agreeable to avoid the use of blood products, will practice blood-conserving techniques, that does not mean he/she is qualified to do a bloodless surgery. Even though more than 100,000 surgeons worldwide, including military surgeons, have been trained in this particular area, more bloodless surgery health practitioners are needed to meet the high demand. Training for surgeons, anesthesiologists, perfusionists and nurses are provided by bloodless surgery and medicine centers and some medical device companies.

And this is what the court case revealed:

...Dr. Paynter’s depiction of “bloodless medicine”
grossly mischaracterized the nature of the concept itself, and
would have given the jury a starkly inaccurate understanding of
what it actually entails. As described by Dr. Paynter in his report,
“bloodless medicine” is purportedly a distinct field, for which
medical personnel need to receive specialized training in order to
provide competent, effective care. See Paynter Expert Report at
2-3. In reality, however, “bloodless medicine” requires nothing
of the sort. Rather, as the testimony at trial clearly revealed,
even by [Appellant’s] own expert, all doctors always try to
minimize surgical blood loss and can, and do, capably treat
patients who refuse, for one reason or another, to allow the use
of various blood products during the course of their treatment,
without needing to have some sort of formalized expertise.
There are no specific medical courses or training in “bloodless
medicine” as such knowledge in this area is part and parcel to,
and integrated, into the overall general medical training. See
N.T. 4/21/15 at 66, 94-95 (testimony from Dr. Green);54 N.T.
4/22/15 at 8-9 (testimony from Dr. Daniels);55 Appellant’s
Motion in Limine to Exclude in Part the Appellees’ Expert
Testimony of Arnold W. Cohen, M.D., Ex.Cat 4-6 (“Cohen MIL”)
(Frank expert report). 56 Indeed, even Dr. Prince, Appellant’s
own expert, admitted that not only had he himself never been
specially trained in bloodless medicine, and that such training did
not actually exist. N.T. 4/23/15 at 56-57.

The entity that should be sued in this case is the Watchtower and the bloodless unit itself. They are the ones who misled Mr. Seels into thinking that "bloodless" surgery is superior and that noblood methods are the "golden standard of care".

The responsibility for this medical disaster lies squarely in the WT's corner.

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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

OrphanCrow

A comment from the European exJW forum concerning the article in the OP:

1. The cost of buying the former pioneer camp
was 135,000,000 rubles.
Yes, it was a time when everything was badly depreciated, but even so, the coordinator of the Bethel in Selters, the German Willie Paul, skillfully traded with the seller, with a smile, but bent his line unrealistically
until he achieved his goal .
Yet this amount was not symbolic.

2. In Solnechnyy SI never had a printing house!
Especially, "the biggest in Europe!"
All literature was carried from Germany, something from Finland, and very rarely from Italy.

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

OrphanCrow

On the WayOut: So, they would have otherwise just let the patient die in a regular hospital setting in some horrible way instead of taking the risks of bloodless delivery ....if they better understood the risks that their expert was going to say were withheld from them.

...ummm, I don't think that is what happened. The father of the woman who died was trying to make the claim that the hospital's "bloodless surgery" program was deficient.

Can you explain what you mean by "the risks of 'bloodless delivery'"? What is bloodless delivery?

*edit to add:

from the court document:

“The surgery is performed the

same way. There is no different way to do a Csection

for a bloodless patient, for a Jehovah’s

Witness, than someone that does accept blood. We

have techniques. We are meticulous with every

surgery. There is no different technique because she

is Jehovah’s Witness. There is no special way to do a

C-section on a Jehovah’s Witness.”