Posts by OrphanCrow

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"Deficit" at JW Assembly

by cookiemaster in

i've recently been at an assembly here in romania and there was an announced they were running a 10,000 euro deficit and urging all attendees to donate more money besides the already 5k has was donated during that day.

i really don't understand these things.

it's their own assembly hall.

OrphanCrow

curiousconfused: This thread wants to believe that the "deficit" issue is some sort of scandal, because you've all either left the organization or want to...

I don't think that "this thread" believes that....or even that that is what this thread is about

I thought this thread was about the WTS/Org's lack of transparency in financial dealings that often leaves those who donate to it in the dark about what is going on.

"You" may be happy with a lack of knowing but there are people who want to know what kind of choices are being made with the money they donate or have donated in the past

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"Deficit" at JW Assembly

by cookiemaster in

i've recently been at an assembly here in romania and there was an announced they were running a 10,000 euro deficit and urging all attendees to donate more money besides the already 5k has was donated during that day.

i really don't understand these things.

it's their own assembly hall.

OrphanCrow

GoneAwol: Doesnt seem that much in donations per year to me? Or am I just crap at reading accounts?

It isn't that much.

It works out to $1065 US or $1333 Canadian per day of operations. (150 days per year, according to document linked)

I have a question. At the assemblies, when a person donates, can they designate the money donated to go to "the worldwide work"? Can I split up my donation? Or do all donations just go to cover the cost of the assembly?

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

OrphanCrow

slimboyfat: I can't put my finder on it, but it reads a little off to me...

When I read the letter, this wording jumped out at me as being 'off':

"As we wish you Jehovah's rich blessings on your efforts, please be assured of our Christian love and best wishes."

The words that don't fit my memory of how JW cult language worked are: "wish" and "wishes".

When I was a kid, we weren't allowed to 'wish' or even use it in a sentence like that. Too close to magical type thinking and magical spells...Satan might hear ya say 'wish' and send demons to tempt ya

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Counter-Watchtower / Answers-in-Watchtower First Draft Issue 1

by Counter-Watchtower in

please proof read the draft and comment any edits, corrects or changes of any kind needed.

also i need help with the cover page, what the title should be and plain text or whatnot, whatever would be more appealing to a jw to get them to open and read.. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b2s6sigyikwhmglhqk5fcmxwzwc/view?usp=sharing.

OrphanCrow

There are still many errors...

^^^^^^

Vienne:
This has been hashed out here repeatedly...

Yes. It has.

Thank you for your accuracy and detail, Vienne. It is much needed in order to speak clearly through all the noise and data regurgitation that clouds the air around here sometimes.

Accurate information is the key...not more noise and static to add to the confusion, Counter-Watchtower. Again....can you share with those of us who are interested...what is your interest and where do you get your information from? It seems incomplete and inaccurate. Is it designed to confuse and make noise?

There is so much good, accurate information out there that I am confused as to why someone would want to produce a hodge podge of information to add to the hodge podge of information that gets thrown on the pile daily.

...why? Why CW? Why are you doing this?

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$66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada

by Alfred in

not sure if this was posted or not, but here it is.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ewsigoad1g.

OrphanCrow

Dsp: Or could there be two competing class actions? With plaintiffs having to CHOOSE which one they want to join??

It appears as though there are two requests for class actions in the works:

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1059175/demande-recours-collectif-temoins-de-jehovah-ontario?fromBeta=true

This video, I think..., is addressing the class action request that was filed through Higgerty Law in Calgary but filed in Ontario. And there has been another class action filed in Quebec.

In Canada, requests for Quebec class action cases are considered separately. The choice is made for you depending on where you live:

Quebec stands alone in the Canadian common law legal landscape with a French-inherited legal system inspired by the Napoleonic Code. Unsurprisingly, Quebec’s class action regime differs from that of the jurisdictions surrounding it.

http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/article/quebecs-own-class-action-authorization-regime-3253/

And, for all the hype and attention that these cases are getting, it would be prudent to keep in mind that the requests for class actions have been filed. That is all that has happened. The first step has been taken but there is no assurance that either of the cases will proceed any further than where they sit right now. Neither of these class actions have been approved/authorized and from what I could read about the one in particular (the Calgary one, I think...), there is only one plaintiff, so far, named in that action

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2017 Annual Meeting

by obarac in

on saturday, october 7.. any chance to get user name and password for stream?.

OrphanCrow

careful: So how does that jibe with Matt. 24:44?

I dunno. They will come up with something.

The bible is made of plasticine

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2017 Annual Meeting

by obarac in

on saturday, october 7.. any chance to get user name and password for stream?.

OrphanCrow

WeatherLover: There's no more yearbook.

Whoa. That is a Big change. Huge.

...And only 3 editions of the public edition of the Watchtower and the Awake! per year, starting next year.

Big drop in preaching activity. No more need to preach the "good news" when the message changes to one of "judgment" at the beginning of the GT.

No need to document growth. So no more yearbook.

The GT has started....we were told it would last summer when they gave us the basement video and warned that the message would change from good news to one of judgement. Tricky way to hide the decrease in numbers and justify all the legal problems they are encountering worldwide.

And save on the cost of putting together a yearbook.

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Leah Remini Scientology series might tackle Jehovah's Witnesses in season 3

by jp1692 in

i've seen comments by some on leah's expose on scientology: aftermath.

she actually won an emmy for this show.

rumor is that she might take on jehovah's witnesses in season 3. .

OrphanCrow

The connections between Scientology, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the tax laws are especially important and so far, how the tax laws have been and are, responsible for the shunning practiced by both these cults, have yet to be addressed fully.

Until somebody, somewhere, connects the dots between "sincerely held belief" and how that particular tax exempt requirement of qualifying that sincere belief relates to disfellowshipping and shunning, I don't think that an exposure of how these cults operate will be complete.

Regardless, what will dictate whether or not Remini goes ahead with an expose on the JWs will be entirely determined by how much advertising $$$ can be generated beforehand. If advertisers have WTS connections...the show won't air. Celebrities might do the talking but $$$$ does the walking.

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Why referring to Watchtower as 'the Borg' is so apt!

by UnshackleTheChains in

it's interesting that when watchtower is referred to as the borg, it immediately brings to mind the scenes where individuals such as captain piccard are held prisoner within a vast collective hive type prison and unable to leave.

they are then turned into drones.

in fact here is how wikipedia explains it.. the borg are a fictional alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the star trek franchise.

OrphanCrow

SlidinFast: Is it going to be WORG now? Warwick ORGanization,loses a bit I'm afraid.

I dunno...I think Worg has its own special flavor that seems to be rather fitting:

"Despite their higher intelligence and evil traits, worgs tended to act, for the most part, like regular wolves. They often hunted in packs, but sometimes hunted alone. Lone worgs tended to hunt creatures smaller than themselves, while mated pairs and packs hunted larger game. They preferred large, herbivorous animals, usually the young, sick, or weak, but weren't afraid to take humanoids, especially when other prey was scarce."

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Worg

Well...except for the higher intelligence part. That is stretching a bit

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Leah Remini Scientology series might tackle Jehovah's Witnesses in season 3

by jp1692 in

i've seen comments by some on leah's expose on scientology: aftermath.

she actually won an emmy for this show.

rumor is that she might take on jehovah's witnesses in season 3. .

OrphanCrow

jwleaks: I believe that Scientology and the JWs both registered on the same day as religions to take advantage of newly introduced US tax exempt laws for religious charities.

Are you able to give more details on that, jwleaks? Dates, etc? Are you speaking about the early 50s when the tax laws changed to accommodate and pay for the war debt?