Posts by OrphanCrow

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Whatever happened to Paula Combs AKA Sue Pamela Carne?

by OrphanCrow in

in may 1983, a jehovah's witness woman worked as a governess for william plunkert who worked at the us embassy in moscow.. moscow charges cia link to religious activist.

william plunkert was a cia operative during his time in moscow:.

how the cia ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in moscow.

OrphanCrow

dsp: This was in the early 1980's?
I think at that time the Soviet's thought every American was a CIA operative!

...to continue with that thought. As I said, the Russians still think that way. The Sue Carne/Paula Combs incident would have only reinforced the Russian suspicions.

In October of this year, a Russian television channel broadcast a documentary about "sects" that cast Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses as "closely associated with US special services".

TV channel "Zvezda" "exposed" Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses
October 17, 2017 on the TV channel "Zvezda" in the program "Conspiracy Theory" was shown the film "Espionage under the guise of religion". The authors of the film, using the example of Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses, cited "evidence" that "many representatives of religious minorities, and in fact, sects, are closely associated with US special services."
The film is replete with "anti-sectarian" cliches about "psychotechnics that allow you to completely take control and will, and the mind of a person, and, as a consequence, his soul" , seizures of "adepts", "recruitment", etc.
As experts, "sectologist" Alexander Dvorkin, adviser to the rector of the Moscow State Pedagogical University Yevgeny Spitsyn and head of the department of religious studies of the Kazan Federal University Larissa Astakhova were invited."Had the courage to conduct an honest and objective examination of the stormy activities of Scientologists" , and those "in revenge" organized surveillance of it.
Like in other similar films, Ukraine is a negative example of the intervention of "sects", only according to the authors of this film, Jehovah's Witnesses actively participated in "events on the Maidan".
The creators of the film give recommendations on how to distinguish "sect" and "how to understand that your preacher can be a man with shoulder straps of another state" .
The film ends with a message that the new US ambassador to Russia is a Mormon, from which it is concluded that "the round-up of our souls continues" .

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Whatever happened to Sue Pamela Carne AKA Paula Combs AKA suspected CIA operative??

by OrphanCrow in

moscow.

1983.. william plunkert.

diplomat at the us embassy in moscow.. sue pamela carne - american jehovah's witness woman employed as governess to plunkert.

OrphanCrow

I apologize for the double post.

I made a post over 24 hours ago and it queued so I waited until I woke up this morning to re-post it again. When yesterday's post didn't appear, I made this thread.

How many hours (days?) should a person wait for posts to appear after they queue??

**edit - aarrrgh. Now i am getting my own posts mixed up...

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Whatever happened to Paula Combs AKA Sue Pamela Carne?

by OrphanCrow in

in may 1983, a jehovah's witness woman worked as a governess for william plunkert who worked at the us embassy in moscow.. moscow charges cia link to religious activist.

william plunkert was a cia operative during his time in moscow:.

how the cia ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in moscow.

OrphanCrow

dsp: I think at that time the Soviet's thought every American was a CIA operative!

They still do. There is nothing that compares to the suspicious Russian mind.

As it turned out, they were right to be suspicious of Plunkert and his staff. Plunkert was CIA.

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Whatever happened to Paula Combs AKA Sue Pamela Carne?

by OrphanCrow in

in may 1983, a jehovah's witness woman worked as a governess for william plunkert who worked at the us embassy in moscow.. moscow charges cia link to religious activist.

william plunkert was a cia operative during his time in moscow:.

how the cia ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in moscow.

OrphanCrow

In May 1983, a Jehovah's Witness woman worked as a governess for William Plunkert who worked at the US embassy in Moscow.

Moscow charges CIA link to religious activist

William Plunkert was a CIA operative during his time in Moscow:

How the CIA ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in Moscow

Sue Pamela Carne went by the alias "Paula Combs" while she was posing as a language student at Moscow's Pushkin Institute.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/208392765/

The U.S. Embassy confirmed that Miss Carne had been detained and had left the country. But a spokesman said because of the privacy law, he could not discuss the case. , , . '.' Her employer, William G. Plunkert, a diplomat in the embassy's political section, could not be reached for comment immediately. Tass said she was known to the Jehovah's Witnesses in Kalinin as Paula Combs, a Russian-language student at the Pushkin Institute in Moscow, but her identity papers established her true identity.

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Whatever happened to Sue Pamela Carne AKA Paula Combs AKA suspected CIA operative??

by OrphanCrow in

moscow.

1983.. william plunkert.

diplomat at the us embassy in moscow.. sue pamela carne - american jehovah's witness woman employed as governess to plunkert.

OrphanCrow

Moscow. 1983.

William Plunkert. Diplomat at the US embassy in Moscow.

Sue Pamela Carne - American Jehovah's Witness woman employed as governess to Plunkert

Moscow charges CIA link to religious activist

MOSCOW -- An American governess in the U.S. Embassy was a CIA agent who formed a religious group that equated the Soviet Union with the 'antichrist' and called for its destruction in a nuclear war, the Tass news agency said.
In a dispatch Thursday, the official news agency identified the woman as Sue Pamela Carne but give no age or hometown. The embassy said Miss Carne worked as a governess for William Plunkert, 2nd secretary in the political section.
'There was an incident involving the Soviet authorities but I cannot go into the nature of it at all,' an embassy spokesman said, adding that Miss Carne has left the Soviet Union.
Tass said Miss Carne was caught in a May 15 police raid on an illegal meeting in Kalinin of a group called 'Jehovah's Witnesses-Ilyinites.'
It said the group, formed at Miss Carne's initiative, organized 'subversive work against the U.S.S.R. under the pretext of the struggle against the antichrist.'
The agenda at the May 15 meeting included 'how to bring about sooner a world nuclear war in which the antichrist -- that is the Soviet state system -- should be destroyed,' Tass said.
Tass accused Miss Carne of using her civilian position at the embassy as a cover for the CIA. It called her 'an emissary of a clerical organization which is closely connected with the CIA and has headquarters in the United States.'
It did not further identify the organization.
According to the agency, Miss Carne distributed material to sect members that 'were meant for subsequent copying and illegal circulation among Soviet citzens.'
She also, 'without batting an eyelid,' distributed large sums of Soviet rubles to build a cooperative flat for illegal gatherings and equip it with typewriters, copiers, and tape recorders, Tass said.
Tass said Miss Carne presents no problem since she has left the Soviet Union, but said Plunkert has some explaining to do.
'How could a modest governess manage to keep in his (Plunkert's) apartment those materials that were taken from her when she was detained?' Tass asked.
'How will Mr. William Plunkert explain that he employed as a governess in his family the emissary of the notorious organization connected with the CIA?' it asked.

As it turns out, William Plunkert was later exposed as a CIA operative during his time in Moscow:

How the CIA ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in Moscow

...the future of the operation was put in the hands of Bill Plunkert. After a stint as a Navy aviator, Plunkert had joined the CIA and trained as a clandestine operations officer. He was in his mid-30s, 6-foot-2, and had arrived at the Moscow station in the summer. His mission was to give the slip to the KGB and make contact.

Sue Pamela Carne, Plunkert's governess, went by the alias "Paula Combs" while she was posing as a language student at Moscow's Pushkin Institute.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/208392765/

The U.S. Embassy confirmed that Miss Carne had been detained and had left the country. But a spokesman said because of the privacy law, he could not discuss the case. , , . '.' Her employer, William G. Plunkert, a diplomat in the embassy's political section, could not be reached for comment immediately. Tass said she was known to the Jehovah's Witnesses in Kalinin as Paula Combs, a Russian-language student at the Pushkin Institute in Moscow, but her identity papers established her true identity.

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How can a dead chicken atone for your sins?

by Fisherman in

jw
friends

the article says that the dead chickens are given to the poor but i was told that the chickens are thrown into the garbage.

(who could possibly eat a chicken full of sin?).

https://www.google.com/amp/abc7ny.com/amp/religion/exclusive-dead-chickens-in-cages-as-part-of-jewish-ritual/2457387/.

Rock band titles from JW history / culture

by sir82 in

jw
friends

on another thread, undercover suggested "adam and the dinosaurs".. i came up with these:.

green bible dinosaurs.

jezebel and the fornicators.

OrphanCrow

Screamin' Mary and the Hanky Sisters

*Muddy...Hootie and the Silver Swordfish - hilarious :)

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Rock band titles from JW history / culture

by sir82 in

jw
friends

on another thread, undercover suggested "adam and the dinosaurs".. i came up with these:.

green bible dinosaurs.

jezebel and the fornicators.

Humans can have answers to any questions

by venus in

god would not say: “you should not eat from the tree of good and bad, which would make you like me” because through jesus he said: ‘you must become like me by imitating the qualities of sun whose only concern is giving (of light and warmth) which means having no expectation of anything from anybody’ (mathew 5:44-48) .

this also means we should have no human teachers because we can have answer to any questions by ourselves, through inference.

(pro 25:2) how to go about inferring?

OrphanCrow

sparky: Why do Unicorns fart glitter?

Because unicorns poop rainbow ice cream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlEovr29KBU

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Whatever happened to Gregory Rogers??

by OrphanCrow in

this is an article from 1975.. .

i am curious.

do you think that the australian jw, gregory rogers, ended up on the wt's australian list of pedophiles?.

OrphanCrow

Sorry. I forgot to link to the article.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00806R000201160032-6.pdf

SINFUL CHICKEN
6 to 8 deboned, skinned chicken breasts 1 pkg. Swiss cheese slices 2 cans cream of chicken soup 2/3 pkg. crumbled Pepperidge Farm herb dressing 2 sticks melted butter Preheat oven to 300 degrees. Place chicken on the bottom of an 8 x 11 inch pan. Cover completely with cheese, soup and then dressing. Drizzle butter over all. Cook 1 hour covered and 1 hour uncovered.