kairos: No response to simple 6 minute video
Atmospheric refraction
*hint: mirage
OrphanCrow
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Flat earth vs round earth
by Jrjw inmy brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.
what are people's thoughts on this?.
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Where to draw the line: how Platonism haunts our discourse and the search for exorcism
by slimboyfat inin the discussion about race i adopted a position i am not entirely comfortable with.
i think there is a sense in which it is useful to distinguish categories of description that can be fruitfully defended (apples and bananas) and those that cannot (caucasian or other racial descriptions for example).
but there is a more fundamental sense in which i believe that everything is socially constructed, every single line you can think of.
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OrphanCrow
Fair enough
But then your comment that it is the same thing doesn't apply
It isn't the same thing
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Where to draw the line: how Platonism haunts our discourse and the search for exorcism
by slimboyfat inin the discussion about race i adopted a position i am not entirely comfortable with.
i think there is a sense in which it is useful to distinguish categories of description that can be fruitfully defended (apples and bananas) and those that cannot (caucasian or other racial descriptions for example).
but there is a more fundamental sense in which i believe that everything is socially constructed, every single line you can think of.
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OrphanCrow
It’s like arguing whether the sunset is beautiful.
No, it isn't
Beauty is subjective
The "rules of the universe" do not exist within your subjective experience
Feeling is subjective
The "rules of the universe" are not
"Feeling" has nothing to do with the rules of the universe
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Where to draw the line: how Platonism haunts our discourse and the search for exorcism
by slimboyfat inin the discussion about race i adopted a position i am not entirely comfortable with.
i think there is a sense in which it is useful to distinguish categories of description that can be fruitfully defended (apples and bananas) and those that cannot (caucasian or other racial descriptions for example).
but there is a more fundamental sense in which i believe that everything is socially constructed, every single line you can think of.
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OrphanCrow
sbf: Where did they come from, if not from God? The idea that such laws can just exist of themselves and require no explanation seems unsatisfying somehow.
"Seems" unsatisfying
Eh..."seems" doesn't cut it
"Seems" is sooooo unsatisfying. "Seems" answers nothing. Nothing at all. "Seems" is only (and nothing else) a self centered positioning that begs to have a rational answer for its existence but has no solid positioning to base its assumption on
An "inch" on the other hand, is straightforwardly constructed, and I can't find the enthusiasm to press the point, when it seems so obvious.
Exactly. Of course it is obvious
So why are you obscuring the forest to spite the tree? Why can you not accept the simple and the obvious?
If the simple and the obvious won't hold, then neither will anything else that you try to build on top of it.
An inch is an inch is an inch
The beauty ( and truth) in that concept cannot be ignored in favor of "I'm more interested in Pi than an inch so therefore I will ignore the inch"
You disappoint me , Slim. I thought you were going to come up with at least the issues that mathematics encountered when it tried to define infinity and not just say: Oh, I like pi better than an inch. Therefore god
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Where to draw the line: how Platonism haunts our discourse and the search for exorcism
by slimboyfat inin the discussion about race i adopted a position i am not entirely comfortable with.
i think there is a sense in which it is useful to distinguish categories of description that can be fruitfully defended (apples and bananas) and those that cannot (caucasian or other racial descriptions for example).
but there is a more fundamental sense in which i believe that everything is socially constructed, every single line you can think of.
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OrphanCrow
slimboyfat: How do you explain Pi without God?
I used to take you seriously, sfb
That comment, though, makes me question my perception of you
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Where to draw the line: how Platonism haunts our discourse and the search for exorcism
by slimboyfat inin the discussion about race i adopted a position i am not entirely comfortable with.
i think there is a sense in which it is useful to distinguish categories of description that can be fruitfully defended (apples and bananas) and those that cannot (caucasian or other racial descriptions for example).
but there is a more fundamental sense in which i believe that everything is socially constructed, every single line you can think of.
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OrphanCrow
sfb: An inch of what?
An inch of anything and everything or nothing at all
just an inch
Do you not know what a "unit of measurement" is?
"What" that inch is measuring has nothing at all to do with defining the inch
The inch is defining the "what", the "what" that the inch measures does not define the inch
Inch is distance and that distance does not change regardless of "what" it is applied to
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OrphanCrow
nobody can answer my question lol.
bullshit
your question has been answered
just because you won't accept the answer doesn't mean it didn't happen
*to add: lol!
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OrphanCrow
what on earth is that quote supposed to disprove???
Basically, it disproves you
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Where to draw the line: how Platonism haunts our discourse and the search for exorcism
by slimboyfat inin the discussion about race i adopted a position i am not entirely comfortable with.
i think there is a sense in which it is useful to distinguish categories of description that can be fruitfully defended (apples and bananas) and those that cannot (caucasian or other racial descriptions for example).
but there is a more fundamental sense in which i believe that everything is socially constructed, every single line you can think of.
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OrphanCrow
What I find confusing about these "different perspectives" as applied to science is this:
An inch is an inch is a f***ing inch regardless of who is looking at it
It is an inch and your positioning will not change that unit of measurement
What label we stick on that unit is redundant and only is a reflection of our cultural positioning but it doesn't change that inch. It doesn't make that unit of measurement measure anything at all other than what it says it does
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Flat earth vs round earth
by Jrjw inmy brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.
what are people's thoughts on this?.
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OrphanCrow
sfb: Things appear differently from different perspectives. How you describe something depends on how you look at it and the reason for the description. The trouble is we simply cannot see things from a perspective that is not our own. For some people this inability to see from other perspectives leads them to conclude that other perspectives in some sense are not real or that they are inferior in some essential respecf.
When you apply the concepts of a postmodernist theoretical positioning to science, the end result is science fiction
Don't confuse fiction with fact by assuming that postmodernism can be applied with impunity to the scientific process