Posts by OrphanCrow

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Update on Detroit-Area Murder Suicide - Front Page Article

by lepermessiah in

jw
friends

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/19/keego-harbor-jehovahs-witness-mom-triple-murder-suicide/351559002/.

this was on the front page of freep.com this morning - sadly there are some factual errors in this article that people will jump on (not allowed to go to college was in original article for instance - hopefully the reporter will correct it).

interesting reading the comments below the article - all kinds of opinions.

OrphanCrow

Dio: After all, if you take JW doctrine to it's logical and most extreme conclusion, dying before the big A is almost your only hope of being resurrected....especially if you know you are inoccent of any sin but are not allowed to be a member of the one true religion.

Yes.

That is the aspect of shunning that is the most abhorrent and the most damaging. Shunning acts as a death sentence. Once someone is disfellowshipped and/or shunned, the one being shunned has been condemned to death at the Big A. No resurrection. No paradise. Dead forever. Unless they die first.

And I don't think that five years is near enough time to get rid of those ingrained notions. Cult thinking stays with some people for a long, long time.

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Jehovah Witness family murder suicide

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

so sad!!!!!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbj0sivgdke&feature=youtu.be.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2018/02/16/4-dead-keego-harbor-murder-suicide/345756002/.

OrphanCrow

Dio: I'm going to guess it must have been an awful long time ago they were dubs.

Five years. According to an article I read concerning this case. Not sure which one it was - there are several

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Update on Detroit-Area Murder Suicide - Front Page Article

by lepermessiah in

jw
friends

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/19/keego-harbor-jehovahs-witness-mom-triple-murder-suicide/351559002/.

this was on the front page of freep.com this morning - sadly there are some factual errors in this article that people will jump on (not allowed to go to college was in original article for instance - hopefully the reporter will correct it).

interesting reading the comments below the article - all kinds of opinions.

OrphanCrow

steve2: In three deadly blows she has robbed her loved ones of life.

That is true, Steve.

But, we cannot know what was going on in her head (unless the suicide note she left explains it)

Using twisted JW logic, her act might have made the most sense to her.

Wasn't there a similar case years back (a JW man killed his family and himself?) where the man did it as an act of desperation because he believed that he was actually giving his family members a chance at everlasting life? His rationale was that, if they died before Armageddon, Jehovah would resurrect them and give them a chance in paradise. But, he thought that if they had to endure Armageddon coming, that they would be killed along with the wicked ones with no hope of a paradise resurrection.

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

Finkel: Anyways that's the tell tale reason why its time wasting useless to spend time talking to people who are being intellectually dishonest.
Anybody else want to try with these nutters, I'm out of here

Okay.

While you are "out of here", why don't you take the time to educate yourself about what "gun restrictions" really means in a country that has "gun control" laws?

And about how those gun laws and restrictions impact the communities that Canadians live in?

Here is an interesting article to start you off:

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/would-canadian-gun-laws-have-stopped-americas-worst-mass-shooters

However, don't stop there, make sure you google Gerald Stanley and/or Colten Boushie. And ask yourself why Canada's gun laws didn't stop Stanley, a white farmer, from shooting (accidentally, he said...) in the back of the head, with a resticted weapon (a handgun) a young Indigenous man. And why Canada's gun law didn't stop that. And why Stanley was found "not guilty" of either murder or manslaughter.

And look up the La Loche school shooting. Happened in Northern Saskatchewan. The kid who did it (killed four people, I think...) used a shotgun. Effective in a small space. The community will never heal

And when you are done that, look up what happened to the long gun registry in Canada

Stupid waste of money. A total waste and drain

I better stop or someone might think I am a drug crazed (legal soon!) Canadian who is for gun violence. I am not. I am for fixing whatever is is that is making people so fucking mad and desperate

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

Why an AR-15? I dunno...watching too many movies maybe

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M16_rifle_series

American culture glorifies the assault weapon. The Last Frontier and all that

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

Finkel: Finkel, you shouldn't own a gun
Or a big truck, for that matter

I think OrphanCrow you should take a course in Ethics, it might help you understand human social behavior and what adhering virtues are beneficial toward humanity.

Finkel, my statement had nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with plain common sense. Angry people are dangerous and shouldn't own firearms

As far as understanding human behavior, I do understand that people who have unresolved anger are the most likely to act out violently. Either towards themselves or others and commonly to both. Violence arises from anger.

And I also understand that anger is just a symptom. It is a symptom of the most basic and primal human emotion that there is - fear

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

Finkel, you shouldn't own a gun

Or a big truck, for that matter

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

Finkel, you are sounding like you have some anger issues

You shouldn't own a gun

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

Finkle: So these recent school shootings had nothing to do with stirred up anger and hatred provoking instilled retribution by the attacker ?

That isn't what you had asked

*ps - do you even know what "intellectually dishonest" means?

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

From a human psychological perspective guns can evoke thoughts of violent retribution.
Would you agree with that statement ?

No

As I mentioned before it would impossible to screen out every person who owns a gun to their mental state, even at the time they are attempting to purchase a gun.
So that leaves what kind of resolve ?

I think your resolve should be to read the entire article that I linked to in my previous post.

Resolve that first and then we will talk