Posts by OrphanCrow

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Apostrophe

by compound complex in

the lyrics to the song, "twinkle, twinkle, little star," are an example of apostrophe (not an apostrophe).

learn something new every day!.

twinkle, twinkle, little star, how i wonder what you are.

OrphanCrow

The Bible's most famous/wellknown apostrophe:

Matthew 6:9-13

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Current/recent Elders: WT Legal phone hours?

by Open mind in

when i was serving as an elder about 10 years ago, the wt legal department's main number could not be reached on the weekends.

does anyone know if they have since made themselves available to elders 24/7?.

the most recent instructions i could find (october 1, 2012 letter to boe) still say the first thing elders are to do when becoming aware of an accusation of child sexual abuse is to "immediately" call watchtower legal.

OrphanCrow

OpenMind: the first thing elders are to do when becoming aware of an accusation of child sexual abuse is to "immediately" call Watchtower legal

The phone call to Bethel has nothing at all to do with the how to help the victim. The phone call establishes a client-attorney relationship between the org lawyers and the elders.

The purpose is largely to set up a situation where any information shared will fall under client-attorney privilege and therefore be confidential

The elders are being told to lawyer up

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

Slim: Have you got any evidence that Watchtower has made money from their blood policy or literacy programme?

Oh geez. Here we go again.

The minute something is proposed that doesn't fit in someone's world view, they jump up and down and say "evidence! evidence!". Of course there is no evidence the org has made money from those things. As has been said on here over and over and over again...the org's finances are not transparent.

We know that the org is involved in both blood management and literacy programming. That is without question. That evidence has been presented many times over on this forum.

When a corporation invests in something, that investment indicates a money making opportunity and there is no question that the org has invested in patient blood management. No question. Over the years, they have spent lot$$$$ of money promoting their brand of medicine. At least, until they turned that activity over to prominent bloodless JWs and the SABM. And as well, they have invested in literacy. Even got awards for it.

How much has the org made? No idea. Have they profited? How much? Again, no idea.

Open the books. I will answer your question.

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

Inferences will get you into all sorts of trouble, Slim.

Yes I said that. And I inferred that the "true rich believers" were the ones from developed, Western countries. It was only after I proposed that scenario that I spoke about 3rd world countries.

It is the perfect 21st C religion - based on a model of colonialism. Keep all the loyal ones in developed countries who will donate lot$ of money to keep their charitable contribution level to a taxed out maximum. What the charitable drive is for is those 3rd world countries that I mentioned. Easy peasy - get rid of excess baggage and dead weight in the Western world, keep them uninformed about what is really going on with the org's financial health and what is happening globally, get rid of dead weight real estate, disfellowship the rabble rousers, and go mainly to an online charity type model. And sit on all the cash they have already.

And...stay active in all those countries that are well-poised for pushing patient blood management. And those countries are ideal for dumping off all the literature that the org still prints by engaging in literacy programs.

Does the org need to grow? Not really - it only needs to grow on the top end to be successful. Why do you think the anointed number has been rising? Sure, there are those 'anointed' peons who are deluded into thinking that they are special, but what about if there is a growing "top class" membership? What if the sipping of the wine goes along with the growth of the upper $lice?

Is it a master plan? Who knows? it doesn't really matter. But we do know that the org has made some major changes in the past decade or so that has resulted in what we see now.

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

slim: OrphanCrow I think you are right that the GB don't want growth in third world countries

Slim, I didn't say that.

In "fact", I said the exact opposite

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

Oh. I didn't know that, Coco. I appreciate the feedback.

I have a confession: every time I type a post here, I am so conscious of my diction and my grammar, etc! I know you scrutinize and it makes me both nervous and pleased. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

I have been thinking...about Slim's comment:

Facts don't speak for themselves. That's why I assemble them and deploy them in a pleasing and compelling fashion

So I thought it might be fun to take the same liberty and rearrange "facts" in a compelling fashion

Here is a theory (heehee...yeah, just a theory, no conspiracy about it...a compelling theory, you might say)

I imagine being one the dudes at the top. On the top of the WT heap and I look down from my lofty perch and see the unruly masses. So many of them. Too many that are misbehaving and too many that you could certainly do without.

What if, Slim, the "decline" in membership is deliberate and wanted by the powers who be? What if the org has decided that it is best to pare down and get rid of those who aren't loyal (true believers only) and those who will donate more more money ( true rich believers only need apply)?

And here is something else. We don't know what is going on elsewhere but we have hints. We do know that the org has literature going into school systems in a third world country. What if that is happening is several 3rd world countries?

We also know that JWs in African countries are petitioning their governments for money to put into their publishers acting as literacy teachers. Is the huge printing plant that was recently built in South Africa still operational? What is happening there?

And speaking of Africa...what a fertile ground for bloodless medicine. Huge potential there. Huge. The JWs who are high up in the world of patient blood management have been grooming Africa for years. What a great hook up. That great big continent in need of blood so bad. And China - again a country groomed by JW bloodless guys. And India...and South America.

Is the org collapsing?

I doubt it

Will there be a mass exodus soon?

Not a mass exodus but a decline for sure. And maybe an orchestrated decline - 8 million is a lot to keep a handle on. A decline in the Western world at least. Not in developing and 3rd world countries. Growth there. Potential galore.

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

morph: Again, dont be fooled by slims amswer today, crow (i feel like a broken record)

Sokay, Morph. I am being entertained

Slim is the consummate postmodern poster - you get a different version dependent upon, like you said, the weather

It's this part that is worth a chuckle at the same time that it is revealing:

Slim :Facts don't speak for themselves. That's why I assemble them and deploy them in a pleasing and compelling fashion

Yeah. I know. What you do is twist the facts, massage them, and put your own spin on them. Commonly, that is called deception and manipulation. Facts do not require compelling language. Compelling language conveys emotions, not facts.

Fact turned into fiction

Good news though, you can copyright fiction

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

slim: And as a matter of fact the Catholic Apostolic Church collapsed despite being rich because of its end time doctrine. It still has assets but no members.

Ah. And here we have a clue.

So, Slim, your definition of "collapse" then, is simply "loss of all members"

Well, now don't I feel silly? Here I have been assuming that you have been using the vernacular definition of "collapse".

Is that a post-modern collapse that you are arguing for, then?

Can you share with us what this impeding (or maybe, already happened) "collapse" is going to look like?

If the WTS/org loses all members but still has assets, does that qualify as a postmodern collapse?

*pssst - the Catholic Apolstolic Church collapsed because they didn't build doctrine around the end times not coming. The WTS/org has done that. They do organizational planning for the future. There were no overlapping apostles in the CAC

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

OrphanCrow

That’s a stupid argument, if I may say so

You may say so but that doesn't make you right

The evidence indicates that the org has experienced far worse growth/membership decline in the past, not once...not twice...but at least three times

I would say that is fairly good evidence that the org has resources that keeps them from collapsing

In order to use other religions that have collapsed as examples, you would have to show that those same religions had the same resources as the org does. You can't do that. So your examples are wasted. Your sense of extrapolation is skewed