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  Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

  by Sugar Shane in

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  2. beliefs

  here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

  his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

  he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

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  How Rushton's research is incorrect:

  http://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/26/the-argument-that-different-ra-1/
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  Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

  his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

  he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

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  Doc: NOT a politically correct thread.
  Think I'll skip it.

  Me too

  But for the reason that the "science" these "facts" have been derived from is incorrect

  Incorrect research incorrectly done and incorrectly interpreted

  Hogwash

  Look up Rushton. The guy whose "work" these notions rest on - a Canadian prof that taught in eastern Canada - there are far more critics of his sloppy research than there are supporters. The only* place you will find Rushton believers is in politics and religion. Go figure

  *That could be a hyperbole. I tend to go a bit overboard sometimes. Especially when the claim to facts is based on really really bad science
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  Image: Great Tribulation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with jws being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  this image comes from the watchtower july 2017 questions from readers: would it be fitting for a christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?.

  the caption for the image is this: during the great tribulation, christians will rely on jehovah and not try to defend themselves.

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  Intrigue: ....if that picture was from the org at all,

  If?

  Of course it is

  I found on the org website

  Questions from readers WT July 2017
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  Image: Great Tribulation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with jws being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  this image comes from the watchtower july 2017 questions from readers: would it be fitting for a christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?.

  the caption for the image is this: during the great tribulation, christians will rely on jehovah and not try to defend themselves.

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  Magnum: edited to add: OK, so I just read the OP again. Now, I'm thinking that you're saying that it is a JW-produced pic and that another group used it.

  Yeah, that is the general gist of it.

  I was interested in how this image fits within the WT narrative - the bunker video in 2016, this image in 2017, and now...the Jesus saves video

  The deliberate construction of the fear myth is evident in how the WT has presented them chronologically

  Here is another thing.

  I wonder if the WT/org will go after that Nigerian web site (truechristianity) for copyright violations. The same site sells books written by this fellow:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kumuyi

  William Folorunso Kumuyi (born 6 June 1941)[1][2] is the founder and General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry situated at KM 42 on the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway, Nigeria. He is the author of several books
  .........
  In April 2013, Kumuyi was named as one of the "500 most powerful people on the planet" and Deeper Christian Life Ministry named as "the World's largest Megachurch" by Foreign Policy magazine (FP)
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  Image: Great Tribulation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with jws being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  this image comes from the watchtower july 2017 questions from readers: would it be fitting for a christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?.

  the caption for the image is this: during the great tribulation, christians will rely on jehovah and not try to defend themselves.

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  The org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with JWs being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  This image comes from the Watchtower July 2017 Questions From Readers: Would it be fitting for a Christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?

  The caption for the image is this: During the great tribulation, Christians will rely on Jehovah and not try to defend themselves

  
  

  
  

  I did an image search for this illustration and found a cropped version of it on this site here:

  http://truechristianity.com.ng/

  Somebody in Nigeria must have read that Watchtower and figured that it fit well in their prediction of how the Great Tribulation will go down (it is likely a little difficult to find stock images of people being threatened with assault rifles)

  http://truechristianity.com.ng/the-great-tribulation-day/

  
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  So I guess my old hall got dissolved. The great decrease continues....

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my mil came by to drop some pressure on my wife to go to the three day this weekend.

  she told her that she wants our baby to live forever and that she wants us to come back.

  apparently people would be “so happy” to see us return to the fold.

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  Perry: Plus they have wiped out all their long term investments.

  That "wipe-out" was a forced wipeout. The CRA made it such that charities could no longer act as banks. Those "long term investments" were the Kingdom Hall loans. The org "forgave" the loans. Because they had to in order to comply with tax laws.

  
  
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  Leaked videos - Why?

  by NewYork44M in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thank you to those that have passed on "leaked" videos.

  one point that i have not seen discussed is "why" apostates are getting these videos.. are videos getting out because of a lack of internal controls, or are there more than a few disloyal insiders that are more than happy to pass on inside information.

  or, is there a strategic intent of releasing leaked videos?.

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  Incognito: Yet, WT has been so successful containing the paedophile files that various courts continue to demand access to. If WT's data security is so inept or at least mediocre, it's surprising someone hasn't successfully accessed and circulated even a portion of that database.

  I am not surprised that the database hasn't been leaked.

  I think that the database of pedophiles is kept tight and secure in the org's legal department. If anything is kept at a high level of security, it will be lawyer files. Nobody should be able to leak that information. If a WT/org lawyer leaked it, they would be disbarred.

  And, in spite of leaks concerning finances, the actual financial accounting of the org has not been leaked. Where is the master ledger?

  I am of the opinion that some of the "leaks" are genuine and some of the "leaks" have been deliberate releasing of information by the org itself.
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  Universal sovereignty on trial

  by Factfulness in

  1. watchtower
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  i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

  they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

  god failed to prove his right to rule.

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  venus: When I first heard there are over 7500 variety of apple, I drew the conclusion that it is all because there is Father Figure that takes care of more than just the sustenance, and my faith in Him has only been reinforced further and further as the time passed. Yet the same knowledge may give different conclusion to another person.

  There are over 7500 different cultivars of apples.

  What that means is that those varieties have been developed by humans

  Don't credit "God" with all those apple varieties - that credit goes to horticulture and grafting

  
  
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  Newsweek: JW wives in Russia send letter to Putin advisor

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this article is dated june 7, 2018 and is likely a lead up to the bear ripping the jw bible article.

  http://www.newsweek.com/wives-jehovahs-witnesses-jailed-russia-send-letter-putin-adviser-begging-end-965516.

  the wives of jehovah’s witnesses rounded up and imprisoned in russia have written an open letter to a top adviser of president vladimir putin, asking him to stop the campaign of terror against the religious group.“this open letter to you is a cry of desperation.

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  Pale: So i guess JWs dont like being torn from their family because of religion?

  It only counts if it affects the "special ones" aka JWs

  Star: They are trying to force us to live in
  fear and shake every time there’s a knock at the door
  You don't say!!

  Yeah. That statement reminds of my childhood and of all the stories I have heard about JW children being raised in an environment of fear - fear given to them by the org itself

  The more I think about it, the more irritated I am by this letter

  The irony is consuming me

  Here we have a letter supposedly penned by JW women. How likely is it that these JW women (who can't even touch the sacred elder book) actually wrote this letter on their own initiative? I am going to go with zero probability.

  Women have no power whatsoever in making any kind of decision concerning the org and yet here they are - trotted out to be the voice of Russian JWs. When we all know that women can't even pray around men/boys without their heads covered. They can't speak and they can't teach - they cannot do anything without some man somewhere telling them what to do and what to say

  This tactic is so misleading - women are being used to gain public approval for the org's actions at the same time that women are treated horribly within the org
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  Newsweek: JW wives in Russia send letter to Putin advisor

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this article is dated june 7, 2018 and is likely a lead up to the bear ripping the jw bible article.

  http://www.newsweek.com/wives-jehovahs-witnesses-jailed-russia-send-letter-putin-adviser-begging-end-965516.

  the wives of jehovah’s witnesses rounded up and imprisoned in russia have written an open letter to a top adviser of president vladimir putin, asking him to stop the campaign of terror against the religious group.“this open letter to you is a cry of desperation.

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  (thanks to darkspliver for this document)

  This is a copy of the letter that was sent:

  https://jw-russia.org/sites/default/files/openletter_to_pchr_and_fedotov_en5064.pdf

  To the Russian Federation Presidential Council
  For the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights
  Honorable Mr. Fedotov! Honorable members of the Human Rights Council!
  This open letter to you is a cry of desperation. People who are very dear to us, our
  husbands, those who feed us, the fathers of our children, peaceable, honest people, who are
  always ready to help others, are being thrown behind bars for being suspected of reading
  Bible commandments and praying together with us and our children to the God whose
  name, as recorded in the Bible, is Jehovah.
  As of this day in Russia already 17 individuals are being held in pre-trial detention. One of
  our fellow believers has been in custody for over a year. Dozens more believers, in 11
  regions of Russia, are under house arrest or are forbidden to leave their cities of residence.
  With each passing day, their number is increasing. Taking into account that in Russia there
  are 175,000 professing the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, we wonder how many more
  dozens, hundreds or thousands of victims of conscience will it take before the unjust
  criminal persecution of people for their faith in God is brought to an end.
  Under the guise of fighting extremism, many of us, and even our children, have been
  threatened with weapons by agents of the special forces and ordered to lie face down. Our
  homes have been raided and searched, our telephones and computers have been seized, so
  we can’t work or live a normal life. Our family photographs, our passports and other
  personal documents, and Bibles have been confiscated. They are trying to force us to live in
  fear and shake every time there’s a knock at the door or the sound of a siren on the street,
  as we await arrest merely for our faith. Some believers have already been dismissed from
  their places of work after many years of faultless work just because the organization of
  Jehovah’s Witnesses is banned in Russia. We cannot find the answers to the questions of
  why we are being subjected to such harassment in our country, and which religion will be
  the next to fall victim after us?
  The law-enforcement agencies that are persecuting our husbands for their faith in God
  explain that it is because of the April 20, 2017, decision of the Russian Federation Supreme
  Court to liquidate all legal entities of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia.
  However, both the Russian Federation Ministry of Justice, during the hearing at the
  Supreme Court, and the Russian Federation Government, after the decision was handed
  down, officially stated that the court’s decision would not result in any violations of the
  rights of citizens to freedom of worship.
  The aforementioned decision of the Supreme Court did not ban the religion of Jehovah’s
  Witnesses in Russia. It only involved legal entities. So why are the law-enforcement agents
  acting in contravention of the will of the government of our country? Who in our country
  benefits from the mass repression of religious believers? Why are our relatives being
  accused of a serious crime with the prospect of imprisonment from 6 to 10 years for
  fictitious extremist activity (Article 282.2 of the RF Criminal Code)? Why are the lawenforcement
  agents mistakenly interpreting peaceful expression of faith on God for
  participation in an extremist organization?
  Honorable members of the Council, please help us to receive answers to these questions.
  In the face of such monstrous circumstances, we are afraid for our children’s future. The
  ground has been laid for children to be torn away from parents, whose faith in God has
  been declared “wrong.” News that information on children whose parents are Jehovah’s
  Witnesses is being gathered in educational and medical facilities is very worrying. It is not
  surprising that virtually every week whole families of our fellow believers are abandoning
  everything and fleeing abroad to seek political asylum for the protection of their children.
  In return for freedom and a quiet life, we are being invited to disown our faith. This is not
  just a figure of speech—investigators have directly invited us to sign documents in order to
  avoid punishment for “extremism.” If not, in their words, no attorney will be able to save
  us. But we cannot stop believing in God. It is a right that every individual has from birth.
  The Russian Federation is a multi-confessional state, and we, as citizens of Russia, have the
  right to expect that our rights will be respected by the state. We are not asking for any
  special privileges. We are asking for just one thing—please, defend our rights.
  Honorable members of the Council! A campaign of terror has been unleashed against an
  entire religion, one of the largest Christian religions in Russia. Fundamental human rights
  are being trampled on: the right to freedom of worship and personal inviolability, the right
  to personal dignity, the right to privacy, the right to the inviolability of the home, to
  freedom of conscience, freedom of thought, freedom of worship, the right to private
  property.
  If the Russian government does not quickly put an end to this growing campaign of terror,
  the administration will be faced with a nation-wide human rights catastrophe. We are
  certain that you have the power to take action now! We ask that you please pass this
  information on to the President of the Russian Federation, and use all possible legal means
  to restore the rights of religious believers.
  With respect, the wives of men who are being held in custody: