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  The Excuses JWs use for the child abuse mishandling issue...

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. child-abuse

  i have noticed a pattern of regurgitated excuses and justifications used by the average jw if the topic of child abuse gets raised:.

  "oh but jehovah's organization is setting the lead in how to handle this issue".

  "why are you getting so hung up on this one issue?

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  Paleemperor: ..."alleged victims"

  Would that be like the "alleged Guardians of Doctrine"

  "alleged" governing body

  Jehovah's "alleged" organization

  And of course...the "alleged" Truth
  
  
  
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  Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

  his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

  he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

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  How Rushton's research is incorrect:

  http://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/26/the-argument-that-different-ra-1/
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  Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

  his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

  he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

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  Doc: NOT a politically correct thread.
  Think I'll skip it.

  Me too

  But for the reason that the "science" these "facts" have been derived from is incorrect

  Incorrect research incorrectly done and incorrectly interpreted

  Hogwash

  Look up Rushton. The guy whose "work" these notions rest on - a Canadian prof that taught in eastern Canada - there are far more critics of his sloppy research than there are supporters. The only* place you will find Rushton believers is in politics and religion. Go figure

  *That could be a hyperbole. I tend to go a bit overboard sometimes. Especially when the claim to facts is based on really really bad science
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  Image: Great Tribulation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with jws being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  this image comes from the watchtower july 2017 questions from readers: would it be fitting for a christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?.

  the caption for the image is this: during the great tribulation, christians will rely on jehovah and not try to defend themselves.

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  Intrigue: ....if that picture was from the org at all,

  If?

  Of course it is

  I found on the org website

  Questions from readers WT July 2017
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  Image: Great Tribulation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with jws being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  this image comes from the watchtower july 2017 questions from readers: would it be fitting for a christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?.

  the caption for the image is this: during the great tribulation, christians will rely on jehovah and not try to defend themselves.

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  Magnum: edited to add: OK, so I just read the OP again. Now, I'm thinking that you're saying that it is a JW-produced pic and that another group used it.

  Yeah, that is the general gist of it.

  I was interested in how this image fits within the WT narrative - the bunker video in 2016, this image in 2017, and now...the Jesus saves video

  The deliberate construction of the fear myth is evident in how the WT has presented them chronologically

  Here is another thing.

  I wonder if the WT/org will go after that Nigerian web site (truechristianity) for copyright violations. The same site sells books written by this fellow:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kumuyi

  William Folorunso Kumuyi (born 6 June 1941)[1][2] is the founder and General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry situated at KM 42 on the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway, Nigeria. He is the author of several books
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  In April 2013, Kumuyi was named as one of the "500 most powerful people on the planet" and Deeper Christian Life Ministry named as "the World's largest Megachurch" by Foreign Policy magazine (FP)
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  Image: Great Tribulation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with jws being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  this image comes from the watchtower july 2017 questions from readers: would it be fitting for a christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?.

  the caption for the image is this: during the great tribulation, christians will rely on jehovah and not try to defend themselves.

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  The org's fear theme has really been emphasized recently- the bunker video and now the convention video with JWs being pursued by guys with assault rifles.

  This image comes from the Watchtower July 2017 Questions From Readers: Would it be fitting for a Christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?

  The caption for the image is this: During the great tribulation, Christians will rely on Jehovah and not try to defend themselves

  
  

  
  

  I did an image search for this illustration and found a cropped version of it on this site here:

  http://truechristianity.com.ng/

  Somebody in Nigeria must have read that Watchtower and figured that it fit well in their prediction of how the Great Tribulation will go down (it is likely a little difficult to find stock images of people being threatened with assault rifles)

  http://truechristianity.com.ng/the-great-tribulation-day/

  
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  So I guess my old hall got dissolved. The great decrease continues....

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my mil came by to drop some pressure on my wife to go to the three day this weekend.

  she told her that she wants our baby to live forever and that she wants us to come back.

  apparently people would be “so happy” to see us return to the fold.

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  Perry: Plus they have wiped out all their long term investments.

  That "wipe-out" was a forced wipeout. The CRA made it such that charities could no longer act as banks. Those "long term investments" were the Kingdom Hall loans. The org "forgave" the loans. Because they had to in order to comply with tax laws.

  
  
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  Leaked videos - Why?

  by NewYork44M in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thank you to those that have passed on "leaked" videos.

  one point that i have not seen discussed is "why" apostates are getting these videos.. are videos getting out because of a lack of internal controls, or are there more than a few disloyal insiders that are more than happy to pass on inside information.

  or, is there a strategic intent of releasing leaked videos?.

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  Incognito: Yet, WT has been so successful containing the paedophile files that various courts continue to demand access to. If WT's data security is so inept or at least mediocre, it's surprising someone hasn't successfully accessed and circulated even a portion of that database.

  I am not surprised that the database hasn't been leaked.

  I think that the database of pedophiles is kept tight and secure in the org's legal department. If anything is kept at a high level of security, it will be lawyer files. Nobody should be able to leak that information. If a WT/org lawyer leaked it, they would be disbarred.

  And, in spite of leaks concerning finances, the actual financial accounting of the org has not been leaked. Where is the master ledger?

  I am of the opinion that some of the "leaks" are genuine and some of the "leaks" have been deliberate releasing of information by the org itself.
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  Universal sovereignty on trial

  by Factfulness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

  they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

  god failed to prove his right to rule.

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  venus: When I first heard there are over 7500 variety of apple, I drew the conclusion that it is all because there is Father Figure that takes care of more than just the sustenance, and my faith in Him has only been reinforced further and further as the time passed. Yet the same knowledge may give different conclusion to another person.

  There are over 7500 different cultivars of apples.

  What that means is that those varieties have been developed by humans

  Don't credit "God" with all those apple varieties - that credit goes to horticulture and grafting

  
  
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  Newsweek: JW wives in Russia send letter to Putin advisor

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this article is dated june 7, 2018 and is likely a lead up to the bear ripping the jw bible article.

  http://www.newsweek.com/wives-jehovahs-witnesses-jailed-russia-send-letter-putin-adviser-begging-end-965516.

  the wives of jehovah’s witnesses rounded up and imprisoned in russia have written an open letter to a top adviser of president vladimir putin, asking him to stop the campaign of terror against the religious group.“this open letter to you is a cry of desperation.

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  Pale: So i guess JWs dont like being torn from their family because of religion?

  It only counts if it affects the "special ones" aka JWs

  Star: They are trying to force us to live in
  fear and shake every time there’s a knock at the door
  You don't say!!

  Yeah. That statement reminds of my childhood and of all the stories I have heard about JW children being raised in an environment of fear - fear given to them by the org itself

  The more I think about it, the more irritated I am by this letter

  The irony is consuming me

  Here we have a letter supposedly penned by JW women. How likely is it that these JW women (who can't even touch the sacred elder book) actually wrote this letter on their own initiative? I am going to go with zero probability.

  Women have no power whatsoever in making any kind of decision concerning the org and yet here they are - trotted out to be the voice of Russian JWs. When we all know that women can't even pray around men/boys without their heads covered. They can't speak and they can't teach - they cannot do anything without some man somewhere telling them what to do and what to say

  This tactic is so misleading - women are being used to gain public approval for the org's actions at the same time that women are treated horribly within the org