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OrphanCrow
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2018/19 new light
by Ray Frankz inhi guys, long time without paying a visit to this site.
today i returned to check a 'gossip' that is running around in brazilian exjw forums.. they are stating that is almost certain they will make a big change in their doctrine maybe this year yet in the annual meeting.
they say people in warwick were commenting on this.
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Watchtower Corporation Hacked By It's Own IT Department
by Brokeback Watchtower init's hard for me to think that the watchtower it department must be fully aware of wt duplicity as in they are experts in using the internet and are fully aware of what the internet is saying about their boss.. so why not hack them and make more public their utter bullshit in a humanitarian concern expressed by what ever powers he has to reduce guilt.. as the reputation of the watchtower goes south and more dirt is revealed the more likely it is for those in position of trust like watchtower it department to be forced into a very precarious position of helping a bunch of frauds and so why should it be of any surprise that some type of corrective vengeance is planed by many members of the it..
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OrphanCrow
Starrek: IT departments such as theirs are heavily divided even internally.
And the department that will be the most heavily guarded is the legal department
That is the most likely place that the pedo files are kept
And that is why the elders are instructed to immediately call the legal department for advice when they are faced with an abuse allegation: they are lawyering up and as such, all info that is passed is confidential
Accessing legal files would be like trying to get into Fort Knox
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A Question About Elders Knowing About Child Molesters
by new boy insupposedly the society sent a letter out on march 14, 1997 to all elders contained an instruction that inadvertently admitted they had a big problem: “the body of elders should give the society a report on anyone serving or who formerly served in a society-appointed position in your congregation who is known to have been guilty of child molestation in the past.” .
can anyone here confirm/or not that this was a real letter that was sent to elders?.
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OrphanCrow
Newboy, this is the letter that was sent:
March 14, 1997
CONFIDENTIAL
TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS
Dear Brothers:
A matter of serious concern was addressed in the article “Let Us Abhor What is
Wicked,” published in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower. This concern involves
the purity of Jehovah’s organization in these last days. It is our responsibility to protect the
flock of God from these threatening influences.—Isa. 32:1, 2.
We wish to take necessary steps that will help protect the congregation, especially our
children from the unwholesome practices that are constantly worsening in the world. We are
grateful that the truth has limited the spread of child sexual abuse in Jehovah’s organization.
WHO IS A KNOWN CHILD MOLESTER?
What is child molestation? Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary defines
“pedophilia” as “sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.” (See
“Questions From Readers” in The Watchtower of February 1, 1997, page 29.) Deuteronomy
23:17, 18 condemns such practices as “detestable.” (See the footnotes to verses 17 and 18 in
the Reference Bible. Also, it would be helpful to see the footnote on page 10 of the
October 8, 1993, issue of Awake!) In harmony with these references, we are herein discussing
sexual perversion in which children are the object of sexual abuse, including fondling by an
adult. We are not discussing a situation wherein a consenting minor, who is approaching
adulthood, has sexual relations with an adult who is a few years older than the minor. Rather,
we are referring, for example, to situations in which it is established by a congregation
judicial committee that an adult brother or sister has been guilty of sexually abusing a young
child or has been sexually involved with a non-consenting minor who is approaching
adulthood.
Who is a known child molester? The January 1, 1997, Watchtower article “Let Us
Abhor What Is Wicked” mentions on page 29 that a man “known to have been a child
molester” would not qualify for privileges in the congregation. An individual “known” to be
a former child molester has reference to the perception of that one in the community and in
the Christian congregation. In the eyes of the congregation, a man known to have been a
child molester is not “free from accusation” and “irreprehensible,” nor does he have “a fine
testimony from those on the outside.” (1 Tim. 3:1-7, 10; 5:22; Titus 1:7) In view of his past,
people in the community would not respect him, and the brothers might even stumble over his
appointment.
TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS
March 14, 1997
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PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN
What can we do to protect our children and preserve the cleanness of Jehovah’s
organization? The primary responsibility for protecting our children rests upon the parents.
Fine suggestions for parents can be found in the January 22, 1985, Awake! article “Child
Molesting—You Can Protect Your Child.” Other articles that parents do well to consider are
those in the October 8, 1993, Awake! entitled “How Can We Protect Our Children” and the
December 1, 1996, Watchtower entitled “Parents, Find Pleasure in Your Children,”
specifically pages 13 and 14, paragraphs 18 and 19.
What can the elders do to help protect our children? The elders should be alert to
the activity of any who are known to have molested children in the past. Individuals who
have manifested a weakness in this regard should be sensitive to their need not to be alone
with children. They should refrain from holding children or displaying other forms of
affection for them. It would be appropriate for elders to give kindly cautions to any who are
doing things that may be a temptation or a cause for concern to others in the congregation.
—1 Cor. 10:12, 32.
What should elders do when a former child molester moves to another congregation?
As outlined in the February 1991 Our Kingdom Ministry “Question Box” and the
August 1, 1995, letter to all bodies of elders, our policy is always to send a letter of
introduction when a publisher moves to another congregation. It is imperative that this be
done when one who is known to have been a child molester moves. The secretary should
write on behalf of the elders to the new congregation’s body of elders and outline this
publisher’s background and what the elders in the old congregation have been doing to assist
him. Any needed cautions should be provided to the new congregation’s body of elders. This
letter should not be read to or discussed with the congregation. This information should be
kept in the congregation’s confidential files where it can be reviewed by any elder. The elders
should send a copy of this letter to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in one of the
“Special Blue” envelopes.
PRIVILEGES OF SERVICE IN THE CONGREGATION
In the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower the article “Let Us Abhor What Is
Wicked” stated on page 29: “For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a
child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he
cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special full-time service.” We have had a number
of enquiries asking how this applies in the congregation, and this is being given consideration.
It may be possible that some who were guilty of child molestation were or are now
serving as elders, ministerial servants, or regular or special pioneers. Others may have been
guilty of child molestation before they were baptized. The bodies of elders should not query
individuals. However, the body of elders should discuss this matter and give the Society a
report on anyone who is currently serving or who formerly served in a Society-appointed
position in your congregation who is known to have been guilty of child molestation in the
past.
In your report please answer the following questions: How long ago did he commit the
sin? What was his age at the time? What was the age of his victim(s)? Was it a one-time
occurrence or a practice? If it was a practice, to what extent? How is he viewed in the
TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS
March 14, 1997
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community and by the authorities? Has he lived down any notoriety in the community? Are
members of the congregation aware of what took place? How do they and/or his victim(s)
view him? Has he ever been disfellowshipped, reproved, counselled, or otherwise dealt with?
If he has moved to another congregation, please identify the congregation to which he has
moved. Was that congregation advised of his past conduct of child molestation, and, if so,
when? [If you have not advised them, this should be done now, and you should send a copy
of your letter to the Society in a “Special Blue” envelope.] This information should be sent to
the Society along with any other observations that the body of elders has. Please send this to
the Society in the “Special Blue” envelope so that the factors involved may be given due
consideration; this information is not to be made available to those not involved.
Jehovah has been blessing the efforts of his people to get the vital Kingdom-preaching
and disciple-making work done. Isaiah 52:11 states: “Keep yourselves clean, you who are
carrying the utensils of Jehovah.” We must be ever vigilant to demonstrate to Jehovah that
we want to keep the organization he uses in these last days fit for this all-essential trust. May
Jehovah bless your efforts to that end.
Your brothers,
PS to the body of elders: A meeting of the body of elders should be arranged to read and
discuss this letter together. This letter is confidential and should not be copied but should
be kept in the congregation’s confidential file. Elders should not discuss this
information with others. It is provided so that you can appropriately apply the spirit of the
Scriptural information in the January 1, 1997, Watchtower article “Let Us Abhor What Is
Wicked.”
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OrphanCrow
But, but...
I thought JWs weren't supposed to watch football?
Wasn't there an Awake mag that was published a few years back that lambasted competitive sports? The same Awake that had the article about the boy that died refusing blood...can't remember which one now - it had basketball players on the front
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Some thoughts on the message of doom
by JeffT inone of the recent threads on the talk about the hailstone message got me to thinking.
the problem with putting out a message like that is what to do when nothing happens.
i have to think that somebody will be asking that question.
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OrphanCrow
A bit of context:
242 Dates for the End of the World
Out of all those date setters in the above list, the JWs hold the record for the most failed prophecies about the end of the world
The Jehovah's Witnesses made sure in 1984 that no one else would be able to top their record of most wrong doomsday predictions. The Witnesses record is currently holding at nine. The years are: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984. Lately, the JW's are claiming they're out of the prediction business, but it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. They'll be back.
And we must not forget this prophetic figure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Little
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The boasters are the worst
by stillin inmy elder brother-in-law has always led his life the best possible way.
his talents make others' talents look piddly.
his kids are the brightest high-achievers within a hundred mile radius.
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OrphanCrow
Stillin: we'll see how this goes. I may be getting off cheap.
Lol!
I have used that tactic for years. The easiest way to get rid of unwanted "friends" is to lend them money. They will avoid you like the plague
Effective, simple and cheap
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How many JDubs would believe this ridiculous statement?
by Sour Grapes ina circuit overseer or a member of the gibbering body is giving a talk about demonism and he says the following, "there was an elder in a congregation in california who let his 8-year-old daughter watch disney movies that involved witches, gremlins, magic, and sorcery.
many may feel that they are harmless movies and are just entertainment.
well, the 8-year-old daughter actually brought a blue smurf doll to the public talk and watchtower study.
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OrphanCrow
In 1986, Phil Phillips published a book called Turmoil in the Toybox
Phil Phillips is the author of Turmoil in the Toybox (1986), Halloween and Satanism (1987), Saturday Morning Mind Control (1991), and Dinosaurs: The Bible, Barney, and Beyond (1994), among others. Turmoil in the Toybox is about how the Smurfs, Care Bears, My Little Pony, He-Man, Mighty Mouse, Cabbage Patch Kids, and Rainbow Bright are all wicked devil toys straight from the pits of Hell itself leading our precious children into ruin. The other three book titles speak for themselves. Halloween and Satanism includes some, perhaps unwitting, but still overt anti-Semitism on display in the author's choice of images and captions.
Practically his entire repertoire of works fall under the "80s/early 90s Christian paranoia/sensationalism" market. They're also unmentionably bad.[citation NOT needed] His books were sold in every Christian bookstore, on prominent display right next to those of Texe Marrs.You can view 10 youtube episodes of the book here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrMoVWl5KA
In the following youtube video, "Deception of a Generation (demonic toys)", Phillips discusses the Smurfs at 1:12:30. The Smurfs are, according to Phillips, representative of dead creatures (blue with black lips), homosexual (because the only female is Smurfette who magically changes to male in one episode) and Papa Smurf casts spells:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnjdq32u-MU
I don't think that the Smurf legend originated with the JWs - they just picked up on Phil Phillip's insanity and ran with it. The 80s were rife with Christian paranoia - most of the occult legends originated with right wing born-agains in the States
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Two Gods seen in the Bible
by Ireneus ina careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).
thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.
this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.
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OrphanCrow
Of all the myths I find the scanty details about the first God found in the Bible makes more sense than second one elaborately depicted in the Bible.
That is because you like the first one better. You are having an emotional reaction, not a rational reaction
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Two Gods seen in the Bible
by Ireneus ina careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).
thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.
this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.
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OrphanCrow
OrphanCrow,
When nations start using weapons like Poseidon, your medical science can do nothing"Your" medical science?
Uh...now you are just being silly.
I don't "own" medical science. It isn't "mine".
What you are doing is setting up a dichotomy (us versus them...or, "me' versus "you") to fit into your black and white world view
If "I" have medical science, then what is it that you have other than mythic thinking patterns?
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Two Gods seen in the Bible
by Ireneus ina careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).
thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.
this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.
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OrphanCrow
Ireneus: I used the phrase “fallen state” in the sense that humans could have been better in the past than us today.
"Could have been" is the basis of myth. "Could have" is a speculative position
We make improvement only in technology, not in our behavior pattern.
How do you know that? How do you know that "we do not make improvement in our behavior pattern?"
Even when we make improvements in technology, later we find it was not at all a progress.
Improvements in medical technology have increased our life spans greatly. That is progress. Improvements in communication technology is progress. Improvements in transportation technology is progress.
You are making sweeping generalizations that are not grounded in facts. You are grounded in mythological thinking.
