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  The Muppets in Charge of the Org

  by OrphanCrow in

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  i found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.. *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this.... .

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  Yup.

  Now we know for sure.

  It's a Muppet Organization. Lol!
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  The Muppets in Charge of the Org

  by OrphanCrow in

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  i found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.. *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this.... .

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  I found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.

  *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this...

  
  
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  Canada Congregation / Kingdom Hall post - and link to a prophet

  by berrygerry in

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  posted on another forum:.

  c/o spoke about the israelites compliance when travelling in the wilderness.

  each time the pillar of fire/smoke moved, the israelites had to pack up and move.

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  He then mentions 20 congregations in Vancouver were dissolved and bro/sis being redistributed as boundaries change with new congregational set ups

  Huh. It's getting a little tough for survivors to track down documents and elders who have been shuffled around. Difficult to investigate congregations that don't even exist anymore.
  
  
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  Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.

  by Tahoe in

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  https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .

  a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.

  in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.

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  HalfBanana: If JW meetings are targeted by paedophiles, a consequence would be that some of them, enjoying the welcome and numbers of victims present, will also be joining the org-- which seems to be the case.

  And let's not forget that in some cases, it is entirely the other way around. The JWs actively participate in Prison Visitation programs. From what I remember from reading another thread about prison visits, the consensus is that it is primarily pedophiles who are attracted to the JW Bibble studies inside prison. And, I have read about some of those pedophiles being "sponsored" of sorts by congregations under their release conditions. *wish I could find the thread about this...

  And never mind the convicted murderers and rapists that have "converted" to the one true religion.
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  When did the policy to report to the legal “desk” / “department” was introduced?

  by Paul Bonanno in

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  as you are all aware the elders are instructed that when they come across a case of “child sexual abuse” they have to call the “legal desk” / “legal department”.

  prior to 1993 this was the policy that as an elder we had.

  do you know when this policy was introduced or started and what was the history behind it?.

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  Paul: Do you know when this policy was introduced or started and what was the history behind it?

  Barbara Anderson reveals much about the history of the child sex abuse policy, including the dates of the elder letters etc and events that influenced the policy development:

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/life-discoveries-barbara-anderson/
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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  Lee: Your personal experience in this regard is quite powerful. I know that its hard for you to talk about, much less write about, so I don't want to press the issue. It might open some eyes.

  Thank you, Lee. You are so right. My personal experience is so relevant to this issue. And I do have a difficult time talking about it. I think it is because people question my recollection of what happened, along with questioning what I have discovered since those events took place. It was so long ago and I was so painfully young when it transpired. But...I am not young anymore. And, I am no longer that naive 16 year old child with a baby that I wanted so desperately to stay alive. And all those things seem so long ago and no longer relevant - I only remember it when situations like this arise - and when my son takes his shirt off and I see the scar on his belly.

  It is hard. I only wish I could explain it all.

  I remember several years ago, when I was putting the pieces of the puzzle together about that mystery of what happened to me and my baby way back in 1973, a year after the WTS targeted the Canadian medical establishment with their volume about alternative practices - I asked a friend of mine a simple question about blood transfusion and pediatric surgery - he was a medical doctor from South Africa - and he told me to quit sticking my nose into things that don't concern me. He knew of my background in the JWs and his response made me even more determined to find out what had happened to my baby way back then.

  I know now. My doctor friend's response didn't stop me. I kept researching. I know now that my baby was used as a medical guinea pig.
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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  Simon: If you read articles about the various tainted blood scandals and how people's lives were ruined, you'll come away with the same "stomach turning" though.

  You don't need to talk to me about "stomach turning", Simon. This isn't a competition between stomach turning events. But...seeing as you want to compare....

  I saw what "alternative procedures" can do to a newborn infant. My own. I saw how a "bloodless" technique can turn the stomach. My son ended up with gangrene of the bowel after he was used as a bloodless guinea pig - a side effect of having his blood put back in him through his navel...after they had drained most of his blood from his wee tiny body. Gangrene that would never have happened if my mother would have just allowed him to have his surgery the same as all other babies got.
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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

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  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  That is exactly what the WTS has worked so very hard for - and invested lots of $$$$ doing - the right to refuse medical treatment (*note - that right became enshrined by the UN in 2000).

  Which, in the WTS' case, extends beyond that - they have created (gave a disorder to) a group of people who have a rare blood disorder. That is critical to understand when looking at how this situation had developed. JWs don't have a rare blood disorder - they have been given it.

  The issue on this thread, though, goes beyond that, Simon. The issue is whether or not parents can extend the right to refuse medical treatment to their children. And they can't. Not in most legal systems - most countries will not allow parents to martyr their children. Child sacrifice is seen, by civilized societies, as barbaric.

  And the US Supreme Court ruled on that - way back in the 40s. But it didn't stop the WTS from continuing the practice.
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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  LeeElder: To counter the work the Watchtower has done in building up a market for their blood policy will require enormous amounts of time and money. Most ex JW's have neither. The children suffer and die, they have no voice, and are largely forgotten. That is the sad reality.

  You are right, Lee. The WTS has had a huge head start in establishing a bloodless cult. Fighting against that is formidable. They have been spreading their propaganda for decades.

  The enormity of infants/children being used as blood martyrs is mind boggling. Stats on dead babies due to blood refusal by the parents are unavailable. But the WTS has known all along what a hot topic it was and would be in the future - they have prepared well.

  The WTS' work "behind the scenes" is staggering - the ordinary JW has no idea what the org has been up to. It was close to ten years ago that I stumbled upon the medical tome that they were distributing to doctors and hospitals back in the 70s.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4oXVPm4nrmfcGVHako0OVZuSUU/view?usp=sharing

  The WTS included an essay by Jack Kevorkian in that volume : Our Unforgivable Trespass. I believe that that essay was solicited by the WTS. Kevorkian, at that time, would have had no interest in or knowledge of the JW blood doctrine, he would have had no purpose in writing it. I think he was approached to write it - in the same manner that Smiley and Dixon asked Dr. Cooley to write a report for them.

  If you want to have a stomach turning few minutes...just download that book and read what Dr. Kevorkian says about JW parents sacrificing their children (of course, Kevorkian was pro-child sacrifice).

  The WTS has invested a LOT of time and money in promoting "alternatives" to using blood for both adults and children. Far more has gone into the promotion of alternative medicine than has gone into explaining their wacky take on an old biblical text about not eating animal blood.
  
  
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  Two witness rule: who cares?

  by _Morpheus in

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  i find people railing against the so called “two witness rule” puzzling.

  i think its a complete and total non issue.

  for those that protest, argue or advocate for change in that rule, why?

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  truthbknwn: All the Two Witness Rule does is prevent pedophiles who are Witnesses from being disfellowshipped.

  It actually does far more than that.

  The two witness rule negates the victim's experience. It stands in the way of the victim being affirmed.

  This isn't just simply something that stands in the way of the sexual crime being reported to police (because, as we know, even that doesn't always end in justice) or something that prevents the predator from being disfellowshipped. In order for a victim to attain healing and regain their self esteem, confirmation of the crime is essential, regardless of the litmus test of banishment.

  I don't know why people think that disfellowshipping is the be all and end all of justice. It isn't. It is a kangaroo decision that has nothing at all to do with real justice or real law. Just disfellowshipping somebody is meaningless.

  What is essential, though, is that the victim is believed and supported. Without a second witness, the org is telling victims that their experience didn't happen even when it did. The victim never gets a chance to heal.

  The two witness rule may not matter to some people, but it certainly does matter to children who are desperate to be believed.