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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

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  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  Have you ever met a bipolar or schizophrenic person?
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  People Magazine: Who Was Vester Lee Flanagan, the Man Who Allegedly Shot 3 People on Live TV?

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.people.com/article/vester-lee-flanagan-bryce-willams-the-man-who-allegedly-shot-3-people-live-tv.

  people magazine: who was vester lee flanagan, the man who allegedly shot 3 people on live tv?.

  born in 1973 in oakland, california, to vester and betty flanagan, he was raised as a strict jehovah's witness.

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  Billyblobber

  If he was bipolar, which is a strong possibility, being raised in an environment of ARMAGEDDON IS COMING EVERYONE IS AGAINST YOU EVERYONE AROUND YOU THAT IS WORLDLY IS WORTH NOTHING AND WILL DIE YOU WILL DIE FOR GAY SEX is one of the absolute worst environments to be raised in to feed that kind of paranoia. Once he cut off family contact, he had no one to keep him in check and it went way downhill from there, unfortunately.
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  I actually think the more productive discussion was the one dealing with the semantics of what some of us consider "mentally ill", responsibly mental illness, how mental illness does or doesn't cause paranoid racism, and also the effects of the JW upbringing

  
  

  It's really hard to have a discussion about this because so many don't understand mental illness or have an inner need to assign blame on a person no matter what and can't even consider that people can do bad things due to bad luck out of their control because it destroys their worldview. People just want an easy "good people/bad people" worldview because nuance and reasons and other things are too hard for them. That's why progression on the mental aspects of crime go so painfully slow, as well, many people want the "easier" route of "someone does something bad, kill them/lock them away" as opposed to trying to figure out "why" so we can head these things off earlier, in the future.

  I have a TON of experience with schizophrenic and bipolar people, and this guy's rant reads EXACTLY like bipolar people I've seen. The subject jumping, extreme paranoia, and history of perceived persecution reads as textbook examples of it.

  It SEEMS like this was unchecked, which is why it led to what it did, and I wonder how much of this has to do with his witness family (possibly "abandoning" him because of his gayness, or not exploring mental help because they thought "Jehovah will fix this all in the Paradise?"). Bipolar and schizophrenic people often need close knit family to constantly "watch" them because they naturally refuse to take drugs (either tied into their paranoia or because it makes them "feel weird"), and if he was going through life solo with these issues, it's easy to see why it reached this unfortunate point.
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  LoveUni,

  If you, as a white person, had a ten year long narrative of thinking that every black person around you was screwing you over for being white (but also thought that gay white men were also screwing you over because you're straight), and then after a black guy blew up a white civil rights church and said he was out to get all white people and the race war had started - you killed two of the people you thought were purposely were trying to get you, I would say you were paranoid delusional with the main focus being perceived attacks on your race and sexuality.

  That's because the psychological trigger in your case is imagined external persecution as opposed to your perceived superiority based on race. Swapping the races makes no difference in that case, the conclusion would still be the same.
  
  
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  Im not ignoring this - I'm willing to accept this. As long as you're willing to accept the guy was racist.

  I understand what the concept of racism is and am not convinced, at this point, that it applies to him, as stated above fro the reasons above. "Everyone hates me because I'm black" is not racism, nor is a response to Root specifically, as it seemed to be phrased. If more comes out showing that he was targeting white people as a whole as opposed to specific people he felt wronged him, then I would easily change my tune. But one statement among many conflicting ones is not enough to use such a specific label, no.

  At best, calling him racist is errant, lazy word usage. I'd say he was paranoid delusional with the main focus being perceived attacks on his race and sexuality, as an accurate definition.
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  Vester was also obsessed with his sexuality, that doesn't make him heterophobic. Words have specific meanings for a reason.

  He was reported for being mentally imbalanced at multiple jobs, he was suggested medication, but refused to take it, he had multiple documentations of irrational paranoia. But, no, his mental state has nothing to do with anything, let's just ignore all of that and label him with the wrong definition of a word, call him bad and talk about what a bad person he is so we can focus on our own pet issues.
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  LoveUni:

  I'm not sure Vester is "appallingly racist" because his manifesto, unlike Root's, has no central point, but is reactionary paranoia to things that do exist (Root's race war crap), and probably don't (being trolled by watermelons). Vester seemed to think everyone (including black men) was out to get him because he was gay and was black, he thought that Root started an actual war, and he would respond, not by going after all white people, but people that specifically were out to get him in the past (in his own head), while at the same time, praising other white and Asian people that killed a bunch of people.

  There are differences between racist actions, racism, stereotyping, and reaction to those actions. Racism is believing that many or all members of a race share a stereotype by default just due to the color of their skin, or hating people strictly because of the color of their skin.
  
  Vester thought EVERYONE was out to get him (which is typical for people with certain brands of mental illness), and SEEMED to target his victims based on personal relation as opposed to just for the color of their skin. He didn't have a coherent focus at all and only singled out Root in particular in that quoted statement as opposed to consistently talking about white people as a whole. Were he targeting random people, it would lend better to him going after an entire race in general, as of now, it just aligns with generalized reactionary paranoia.
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  Evolutionists Who Are Against Darwinism

  by Perry in

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  this is a nice list of evolutionary scientists and their quotes regarding the impossibility of naturalism or materialism being able to account for life as it is observed :.

  evolutionists against darwinism.

  most, while sympathetic and respectful of their more committed colleagues, are disparaged as morons for not carrying the materialism banner as a religion, as a matter of faith.

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  Billyblobber

  I actually know Perry IRL. He has his point of view, makes it known, but doesn't expect you to agree with him.

  Does he also refuse to respond to direct questions in real life?
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  “As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!” - Good Morning America, quoted by Wasanelder Once on page 9 of this thread ...

  And you attribute this line of his whole rambling "suicide note" that included things like "black men and white women are out to get me," "I've been sexually harassed," and "I refuse to take meds" as having as much importance in this instance, as race (and the outside influences he was reading to focus on that) was to Dylan Root's actions? Over the mental illness that caused him to be constantly and entirely paranoid about everyone being out to get him?
  
  Him being insane is the main focus in this instance for good reason. It's the direct impetuous, and something that can be looked into to make improvements. In Root's case, we had a specific ideology molding him AND mental issues to look at, which is a bit different than non guided paranoia.
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Billyblobber

  Just like to say that of course people from many religions commit evil etc like this, but the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses without a doubt say that they have the ONLY TRUE beliefs in the whole world, only ones with gods spirit actively guiding & blessing them.........gods only happy people. Now if you have that kind of GOD righteously directing this Noah's Ark.... this shit should not happen..........

  Witnesses just say that he was mentally ill/demon possessed, and that Witnesses are prime targets for Satan, and see what happens when you leave the organization. It just feeds into their persecution complex (a complex he apparently carried on wit after leaving).