Posts by Alive!

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Demonic art in the watchtower?

by Lost and adrift in

does anybody remember a rumour or maybe it was a truth?

?...something about hidden pictures or symbols in the artwork of the watchtower.

was it one of those urban legends?

Alive!

I always felt the illustrations were.....a bit yuck. But rapped myself on the wrist for not seeing them through 'humble eyes'

Havong said that - it seemed to me, there was never any 'error' in how illustrations appeared. The revelation 'lobster claw' was 'out there' - no artist would let that bit of crappy 'handy work' go to print - it was a terrible representation of a hand, in fact, nothing like a hand.... Yes, it DID look like a proper 'claw' hand - it really did 'stand out' as being apart from the rest of the hand representations in that picture and I can't help wondering if the art crowd just loved having a joke, chucking something like that in....

And I don't want to be over critical about the whole art thing - but I do agree that every picture was CAREFULLY chosen.

After all .... The FDS tells us so.

So, regarding the black guy on the song book, with the dodgy thumb - replaced by an Asian guy.....may I ask a question regarding that picture of just a few persons, carefully placed and dressed....am I right in thinking the little girl's skirt and top do not meet, exposing her bare tummy? The skirt waist band gathers somewhere low on her hips.....

Forgive me if I am wrong.....and my eyes deceive me - but if I am right.... Why dress her like this? Most JW children are very neatly groomed and dressed.

Am I wrong?

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

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Alive!

Mr Toole's assertion that he didn't know what 'theocratic warfare' meant was unbelievable to me.

He said he was baptised after the dated article which was presented in court - and so would not have read it.....

I'm a lowly R and F and I knew about theocratic warfare - it was talked about..and discussed and articles pointed to it.

My heart lurched when I heard Toole's witness. I felt sick.

'Do not worry about what you will say when hauled in front of courts in my name as I will give you words to speak'.....wasn't that what Jesus said?

I didn't hear the words I'd expect to be said in the spirit of Jesus.

I'd strongly urge anyone with questions to put aside time to systematically go through the video recordings of the ARC.

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Governing Body Member Geoffrey Jackson's Empathy For Survivors Of Child Abuse Hypocritical

by Brokeback Watchtower in

so says the royal commission.

which we all can agree.

his expressed sympathy is a hollow sham and it is the same way with all the governing body's expressions of love and concern for all loyal member captured by their organization into servitude.

Alive!

That Jackson hadn't bothered to read or become fully informed of the victims' cases... Yet apparently was up to date with the witness statements ......

It must have been difficult with a very sick/dying Father to worry about - however, both my husband and myself have had sick and dying parents but our secular responsibilities still had to be scheduled... We couldn't just take three months out from caring for things and demands that we had accountability for.

He was in Australia - he should have insisted on showing up at the Royal Commission as a representative of the GB.

That they passed him off as just being in the 'translation department' was utterly deceitful.

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Those keenly following umbertoecho ARC Brief Update.

by MightyV8 in

i feel it is comfortable to say,.

yes her arc hearing has come and gone.. yes her hearing was so powerful, her allotted time was tripled!.

yes, information handed over "mind blowing" response from arc.

Alive!

Hi umbertoecho

Years ago we stayed for about a year or so in a congregation whilst on a travelling/working holiday.

An elder's wife came out in service with me and for some reason downloaded her terribly isolating experience as a mother who discovered that all her children had been sexually abused and what happened when she took it further.

I remember her pain - and my internal shock that she had experienced terrible treatment from some - she was practically shunned and 'marked' for seeking justice.

Thet was my first window into 'behind the scenes' - and at that time I had no idea how global the situation was.- bless you umber (((( hugs))))

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Reasons for NOT Returning

by Saved_JW in

i left the watchtower in the winter of 2008. my first year out was by far the most difficult.

i had every intention of returning to the watchtower for the very purpose of being able to speak with my friends and family.

i had already concluded that the teachings were not the "truth" [after reading crisis of conscience] so coming back was more emotional then anything.

Alive!

Thank you for your excellent post Saved JW.

If someone was looking for 'a Christian' reason not to be a JW - this provides a great example.

When I look back, I see an unhealthy emphasis on 'looking good'

The buildings were kept in tip top condition - renovations and redecorating was a constant thing in our circuit - spending hundreds of thousands and a huge amount of manpower on needless projects, working bees....replacing perfectly good chattels and interior furnishings with new, new, new.

Sadly, the same level of care was not given to the downtrodden souls and hearts of those in need.

An in-law made the comment 'that religion eats it's own'.......

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Those keenly following umbertoecho ARC Brief Update.

by MightyV8 in

i feel it is comfortable to say,.

yes her arc hearing has come and gone.. yes her hearing was so powerful, her allotted time was tripled!.

yes, information handed over "mind blowing" response from arc.

Alive!

Never forget:

One of the Elders who came to the witness stand admitted that only last year, he made this comment to the partner of one of the victims 'why would you want to drag Jehovah's name through the mud?' ... After hearing that there was a plan to submit a case to the ARC.

So much for 'we made mistakes in the past'.....but not now. Oh really?

I felt absolutely ashamed to have once owned these men as my 'leaders'.....

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Those keenly following umbertoecho ARC Brief Update.

by MightyV8 in

i feel it is comfortable to say,.

yes her arc hearing has come and gone.. yes her hearing was so powerful, her allotted time was tripled!.

yes, information handed over "mind blowing" response from arc.

Alive!

The ARC recordings are there, on the Internet - for the world to see.

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Those keenly following umbertoecho ARC Brief Update.

by MightyV8 in

i feel it is comfortable to say,.

yes her arc hearing has come and gone.. yes her hearing was so powerful, her allotted time was tripled!.

yes, information handed over "mind blowing" response from arc.

Alive!

Mistakenly 'liked' makemeanunbeliever.

But hey - isn't what makeme said true?

The ARC makes no difference in JW land - who cares about the victims?

I knew about this stuff several years ago before I faded .........abuse? It's rife in JW land - and they know it.

Kept quiet - All in the name of God.

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The really cool feeling of community within JWs

by Phaedra in

i remember going out with other jws after the memorial.. small gatherings.. picnics at some local landmark.. the feeling of closeness, camaraderie, friendship with like minded people you could trust.. haven't experienced it since i left.. really miss that..

Alive!

@Life is too short.

Feeling your pain - I can only imagine your agony as a youngster.

(((( hugs))))

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People who are happy in the org

by jhine in

i don't know if i can put my musings clearly into words , but i' ll try to be coherant !

on a couple of other threads lately folk have said that they have no wish to disenchant jws who are happy in the org .

those who have no personal problems and are content to stay in , thinking that it is good way to live and the nearest thing to the truth .

Alive!

PS sorry for my long winded vents - I'm just going through a bit of purge, trying to talk out and think out stuff that's hard to live with. X