today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
Carla - that personal record sounds typical of some ´note-takers’
I honestly think a fair minded Christian should see that this is just not acceptable....but in my experience, this kind of detail would be admired amongst the publishers.
As in... Sister so and so takes fantastic notes.
Anyway - it’s not acceptable, whatever way you look at it.
today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
Doubter....that last post re Paul making notes....please dear, just stop.
you are not helping your ‘cause’ - clearly bible accounts are different to personal note taking of HH whereabouts, times, and mobile numbers and addresses.
Niow, dear - please just stop.
today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
And a change of practices should be welcomed. What’s the problem in changing?
Did Paul keep records in householders?
if he did....it would have been useful to have it made clear!
But, it appears that God was always ahead of him and other Christian teachers from a bible account point of view. No note taking required it seems to bolster the preaching work....or did I miss something?
today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
« That’s not a strong argument. »
Perhaps I was not making an argument but stating a reality.
I’m not talking about the odds of lost notebooks happening....I was stating my memory and experience of seeing other JWs take personal notes of unaware householders and discuss them. Probably better that stops don’t you think?
And it should stop because they are Christians - let the world do what the world does via internet, census or whatever....may I suggest a christian would be happy to have the risk to neighbour pointed out and stop their ‘recording’ of very personal details such as availability, marital status and all other sorts of stuff....
today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
The point is that personal records/notes are kept, very personal information are sometimes kept in notebooks, regarding a persons life, circumstances, hours of work etc. Say a particularly detail orientated JW left their HH/study book on a bus, dropped on pavement etc?
I know in the past, very detailed and exposing notes were often kept.....
a brother who is not baptized ( so there's still hope for him ) had a sister recently run into him at a store.
show wanted to know if he's going to the kingdom hall.
she asked him to write a letter for her to give to his mother ( who's deceased) in the paradise explaining why he didn't make it.
Hateful thinking and I can imagine a certain type of JW saying this..... and being proud of themselves.
i was having a great chat with a valued friend and fellow forum member today on the phone.. we were discussing how deeply we all get affected by jw interactions - even years after fading or disassociating.. you know what i mean.
those days when we run into jws who we considered to be our close friends.
or "loving shepherds" who don't act kindly.
OneEyedJoe6 hours agoA big part of cult indoctrination is that they force you to integrate the cult into your very identity. That's the point of the constant talk about "make the truth your own" "put on the new personality" "spiritual heritage" etc. Once you're out you will likely become a very different person.
The other effect this constant indoctrination has is that it makes all JWs into very nearly the same person. Certainly when they're in cult mode (i.e. out preaching or when their defenses are up because they've come across a DFed/faded/inactive person - so this covers 90% of the interactions anyone on this forum is going to have with JWs) the variations between them are negligible. This means, too, that when we see a JW in full cult personality, we're essentially looking at our past selves. I think this is the main reason why interactions with JWs affect me so much, I see all the flawed reasoning that I was doing myself that kept me trapped so long and I find myself becoming angry at my former cult self.
A great summary.
As a convert, I wanted to ‘put on the new personality’ of Christ.
That personality was very, very attractive and heartwarming to me.
The Watchtower muddies this ongoing transformation with the cardboard cut out figure of the ideal ‘publisher’.
I remember feeling quite disorientated in the first year of indoctrination.
When I have occasional interactions with ‘in’ JWs, the rigid thinking and ‘JW’ verbal phrasing is a stand out.
And yes, it unnerves me a little.
Such apparent sweetness, yet such strangeness - I don’t feel comfortable with witnesses anymore, how can you when you know they walk in ‘mind’ lockstep even when something is very wrong, and fairly pointed out to them.
It can hurt - and it does affect me.
for shits and grins, i looked at an online sunday meeting a few days ago on youtube.
i was in disbelieve on just how silly everything looks with the watchtower reader reading from his little iphone and the watchtower conductor holding up his iphone to ask the questions.
then the conductor asked the reader to read a bible verse and of course, he reads from his little phone.
Tablets and reading scripture from hand held devices go in the organisations favour...with one page, one scripture at a time in front of you, it’s easier to learn scripture out of context....if that’s all you’ve ever done.
And this is what it will be like for young JW kids growing up....
yesterday, i had a conversation with my neighbor during which i explained the greatest reason why i wanted to raise my kids out of the jws: the fear (which translate to hate) jws have for everyone showing no interest in becoming part of their group.
in order for him to quickly relate to what i meant i asked him to imagine, for a moment, he was the biggest racist he has ever known, forced to live in a black neighborhood.
how would you feel?
The JW mind-set is hard to fathom.
They will smile, be delightful company and can generally give the impression of being ‘lovely people’ amongst non-JWs....
Yet, whilst they pleasantly engage and chat in such a friendly way with those who are not JWs ( at family affairs, funerals and weddings etc...infact any occasion where the non-JW gets to mix with JWs) - they are also believing that the non-JW, from baby to old senior, fall outside of God’s Love. That God will angrily annihilate the non-JW today, tomorrow...because they are not a JW.
Instead of finishing field service and happily going off for coffee as a chatty, laughing group....they should be tearing their clothes in grief, that so many are ‘hated’ by God...and so many never are ‘drawn’ to the religion but are apparently worth nothing.
I was at a summer BBQ a few years ago, with a bunch of JW friends, some of their non-JW family were there and a couple of our non-JW...we’d all shared many BBQs together in the holidays.
Everyone knew each other - it was lovely.
its just that the next day, a high proportion of these affectionate companions would go their separate ways to a ‘meeting’ - to hear and repeat the potential destruction of their wicked BBQ friends....people who’d affectionately all been drawn together the night before, with arrangements for further get together in view.....
Such madness.
Such insane divisiveness.
No wonder so many JWs have mental health issues.
how often have we heard some sort of sensationalist urban legend as jws?.
here is an example i was told as a kid:.
the experience of a sister who knocked on a door and was greeted by a big fierce looking man- intimidating and mean.
I’ve heard most of these stories in one form or another.....around the western world...seriously.
My husband and I would always keep quiet when the silly story hour started...usually after some brother had had a few wines and was in full swing.....
