Simon, What about for Opera mobile users. This site is inaccessible, there is no chance of attempting to sign in using Opera mini. Could you take a look?
THanks, BF98
i think i finally tracked down the bug that was affecting ie users - you should now be able to sign in and use the site.
i've only had chance to test with ie 11 but it should work with ie 10 as well, i'm not sure about ie 9 and ie 8 or older is doubtful.. fingers crossed we get some replies from ie'ers.
note: there may still be other issues but the first and biggest hurdle is getting signed on..
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hi everyone, i'm nearing the end of steven hassan's first book: combating cult mind control.
as i was on the chapter which describes 'mini interventions', i had an ah-ha moment regarding wtbs and the stance on two matters which awoken doubts in me earlier:.
college enrollment (on campus housing vs. off campus housing, etc.).
Hi everyone, I'm nearing the end of Steven Hassan's first book: Combating Cult Mind Control. As I was on the chapter which describes 'Mini Interventions', I had an Ah-HA moment regarding WTBS and the stance on two matters which awoken doubts in me earlier:
So, as I've read on the forums, and know from personal experience, a brother can be looked over for appointment or deleted as an Elder or a MS if he attends, or if his children attends college. As some of the elders on this board have pointed out, his 'Qualifications' would at least be reviewed by the BOE, and perhaps even the CO, with special interest being placed on where the student lives while attending and how active the 'publisher' is while attending. The entire purpose: restrict and discourage dubs from getting away from the group long enough to revert to thinking in reality. Prevent them from ever learning the real meaning of: research, study, or critical thinking, and exercise damage control to monitor the student for signs of waking up, loosing zeal, and leaving this cult. If the student is, or is linked to an appointed man....REMOVE THE APPOINTED MAN to show that getting a real education is not acceptable dub. behavior, and will not be tolerated!
Also, I've always wondered why the public cart witnessing was always limited to the 'elite' pioneers and those specially selected by a committee which could at times include the CO. As I was reading Hassan's work, it became obvious that many of the 'mini interventions' he has with members from other groups would not work as effectively with the elite pioneers at the carts. These elites are very active in recruitment, sometimes power-hungry, die-hards who have so much work tied into proclaiming the message of this cult that they will quickly shutdown anyone who makes them feel uncomfortable. I have come to the conclusion, at least at the moment, that the organization, and cults in general exhibit mind control out of necessity as much as for the feeling of power. If they loosen-up and allow people to think for, and control themselves they would loose membership as people see through their bologna.
These are just some of my ah-ha moments. Have anyone else had these since learning TTATT? Please share!
well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.
the 2015 school setup, discussed this week eliminates the last "school talk" by brothers in favour of 'demonstartions" (a la sisters conversations) of family worship sessions and the like.. is this not a shift away from encouraging bright young ones to hone their (under-estimated) speaker skills ---to.
now using more of the die-hard, org-bound, --even elders in indoctrination demonstrations?.
do you see this trend?
Get away from reading scripture. Get closer to reading 'spiritual junk food'
thank you for coming to my house so often because you were so concerned about me missing so many meetings.. ( actually, the only time you visited was when the circuit and district overseers were in town.
you really showed them how concerned you were about your sheep.
i now know that it is more of a duty than a concern.).
I totally understand how you feel. Im not even a fader, im getting this same treatment. Im just a brother who the hounders ostracized for not towing the company line. One moment you are the rising star..the next minute you learn TTATT...stop obeying man-made laws, and you are shunned by 40% of the congregation.
Matthew 7:16 "You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"
John 13:35 "By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
HMMMMMMM
christians, should i attend kingdom hall meetings to discreetly "preach" to jws about the real jesus and the lies of the watchtower?.
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i plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.. .
@crytojesus....yes. Due to my personal circumstances....I still attend the meetings....an I am somewhat active.
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/.
the third bullet point there claims they baptize in jesus name.
i know the baptism questions never mention jesus once.. .
Yes. Those are the last two questions read off right before the actual immersion. But we all know: God's spirit is not with that organazation.
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/.
the third bullet point there claims they baptize in jesus name.
i know the baptism questions never mention jesus once.. .
They baptize in the name of The Father, The Son, and "God's SPIRIT DIRECTED ORGANAZATION".
So no, they don't follow Matthew 28:19,20.
christians, should i attend kingdom hall meetings to discreetly "preach" to jws about the real jesus and the lies of the watchtower?.
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i plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.. .
No. These people still believe they will be saved through works. (seriously, a sister gave this comment recently at my hall) Do what you want, but be careful. IMO it will be a waste of energy, and you will leave saddened.
i'm still on an old mailing list and got this recently "encouraging" me to make the pilgrimmage to mecca...i mean...bethel.
kinda sad really.
i have nothing against the people who run the business, they're just trying to make a buck, but i'm soooo glad i'm out of that boring cult.. did you see the governing body's invitation?
Yea, the GB guilt you into coming...the brothers try to make a buck taking you to Mecca. Not as obscene as the brothers who sell MLM scams at the hall but, egh.