Posts by ToesUp

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True face of Elders

by ttdtt in

i found this - it is totally true!.

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You are correct there are some (minority) Elders who are genuine, merciful and try to do the right thing. My question is....we are supposed to a unified people. Why are the Elders not unified? I was raised by 2 loving parents. My father was an Elder my entire life. He used to come home angry from many Elders meetings because he was one of the "good guys". Merciful and kind. He did not always agree with the decisions other elders made. Scenario#1. So if you are on a committee with 3 elders present and one is merciful and the other 2 are not. What is the outcome? Typically the 2 over rule the 1. Now scenario # 2, you are on a committee with 2 merciful elders and 1 ass. What is the outcome on that scenario? So one person gets DF'd because he had 2 asses on his committee and the other guy gets shown mercy because he had 2 of the good guys on his team. My point....where is the unity? It is all in who is making the decision. Again...where is the unified brotherhood? These decisions have very deep impact on peoples lives and are not to be taken lightly. It impacts the person, his or her family and friends and sometimes the persons way of making a living. Bottom line....imperfect. un-unified men should not be holding a persons life in there hands. Never should men be put in a position to judge another man (not speaking of crimes here, imperfect sin). I have witnessed countless times someone getting DF'd for what I would consider a minor offense while someone else commits a much greater offense and receives a slap on the wrist. If there is a God, why don't we leave the judging to him?

We have experienced Elders who have committed sins while sitting on judicial committees, all the while judging others for their sins when they themselves are doing the exact same thing. It is drilled into our brains from infancy that these men are "stars in Jesus hands, princes, a port in a storm, a shepherd". They are touted to be chosen by holy spirit. Where is the holy spirit when these guys are sitting across from you and judging you and they are committing the same sin as you? I don't buy the imperfect man defense. It does not hold water for me. You can't have it both ways..."well we are fine shepherds BUT (BIG BUT HERE) LOL.....we are imperfect men."

The seriousness of the long term impact on peoples lives are what is at stake here. How can you in good conscience DF someone in the congregation and then that person is so distraught they commit suicide. How can you as a man and a Christian live with that? Your decision had a devastating impact on the outcome of that persons life and his family. If you can live with that then I seriously question all that I have been taught. This is one of the many reasons me and my immediate family are no longer associating the JW religion. Too much..."do as we say, not as we do."

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The borg is fighting tooth and nail to not turn over sex abuse records, and the press is taking note :)

by EndofMysteries in

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/12/jehovahs-witnesses-under-pressure-over-handling-of-sexual-abuse-claims.

ToesUp

“In our case … they adopted similar tactics, dragging our client through years of painful and distressing litigation … We have always maintained that this is a time for apologies, not appeals.”

Watchtower apologizing? NEVER!

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The borg is fighting tooth and nail to not turn over sex abuse records, and the press is taking note :)

by EndofMysteries in

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/12/jehovahs-witnesses-under-pressure-over-handling-of-sexual-abuse-claims.

ToesUp

If WT has nothing to hide, why do they refuse to provide the documentation? Hmmm!

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Today's Text - Show Appreciation For Elders! LOL

by Divergent in

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wednesday, august 10. holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god.—acts 20:28.. it is important that we show appreciation for god’s arrangement for shepherding his flock.

christian elders are a provision from jehovah, who always acts in our best interests.

the elders are “like a hiding place from the wind, a place of concealment from the rainstorm, like streams of water in a waterless land, like the shadow of a massive crag in a parched land.” (isa.

ToesUp

"Gifts in men, a shelter from the storm?" OMG...gag!

The majority (not all) of the Elders are arrogant, self righteous pricks. We are even witnessing some who are alcoholics and prescription med addicts.

So the holy spirit chooses a man who rapes a child? Really WT!

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True face of Elders

by ttdtt in

i found this - it is totally true!.

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ToesUp

Some (the majority) are legends in their own minds. Most (not all) have jobs that they can not advance in, due to the lack of education WT speaks against. They can only get the power and recognition within the congregation. It's the only thing that identifies them. We have seen this 1st hand in our families.

The compassionate Elders/MS's (the minority) quickly get removed or they remove themselves. Some are stuck in and miserable.

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Hidden message in JW bunker video?

by Dunedain in

so, i was speaking with a relative recently, who is "in" the borg, but is completely aware of the terrible hypocrisy from the gb down.

he is not in the box, and its great to be able to have a realistic, and logical discussion about the current state of the org.. we started discussing, specifically, about that bunker video that was released in december.

how it is being played at all the conventions.

ToesUp

It reminds me of the story, the boy who cried wolf. Same thing WT has been doing for years, just this time they put it in video form. It's working on the rank and file. Some of our family members are scared shItless. It's sad when you have to keep the ranks in line by using fear.

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Abandoned by JW and yet trapped

by awake!watcher in

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had an enlightening discussion with my 20 something, baptised, awake son.

he said he feels abandoned by the religion, and yet trapped at the same time.

i had never thought about it that way before, but can totally understand where he is coming from.

ToesUp

It is a form of bullying and WT knows that this bullying works. People return due to family and friends and not Jehovah. The more exposure, in the media and on the internet, the more it will get out to the public that this is a dangerous and abusive cult.

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JW broadcasting and doubts

by Colinconfused in

hi everyone to cut a long story short, ive been away from the meetings for over 10 years.

i recently reconnected with the congregation and started a study.

cant get my head around all the changes and jw broadcasting.

ToesUp

RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!

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Appointed men must be exemplary in heeding the warnings given by the faithful slave Governing Body when it comes to higher education.

by oppostate in

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ToesUp

" Rather than teaching or doing research with his PhD, he now has non-permanent job teaching low-level math."

That's what happens when you let a man made cult run your life. Sad!

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

ToesUp

I appreciate the freedom this site provides to vent and offer your opinion on topics and matters. I sure do hope not everyone agrees with me or Mrs. Toesup 100% of the time. What a boring world it be! See Watchtowers websites. No tools to offer comments, like or dislike buttons. Nothing but their message with no other point of views allowed. I like the thumbs up and down buttons. Personal Freedom! This is why I left the Borg!