Posts by ToesUp

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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

by aboveusonlysky in

'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

ToesUp

Just our 2 cents here...

I was raised by an Elder father and if he wanted me to show repentance, the way the org requires (you know, crying, begging and kissing ass), he could coach me in how I should act to "show the right heart condition." lol After all Daddy knows what the "secret Elder book" has to say.

The "regular kid" (no Elder dad) in the KH is on his/her own. No coaching, so they may not have the correct "heart condition."

This repentance crap is just that...CRAP. No holy spirit what so ever. Just holy horse sh*t!

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Disassociation revealed what type of man my father really is.

by Paul Mooney in

i began my exit from the jehovah’s witness organization about 5 years.

i was a 4th generation born-in, with all the baggage that comes with having the “spiritual heritage” attached to the group.

i was an elder/bethelite/pioneer/whatever other useless privilege there was, i had no family or friends outside of the organization… my entire life was that org.

ToesUp

Paul...wow what a story. I really admire how you were strong enough to DA and not live a lie. That took incredible strength on your part.

Your father is a very special man to share his deep down feelings. I know it breaks your heart to not have much contact with your parents now that you are out. He gave you an incredible gift by sharing this with you.

The WT has a great deal to answer for. It is an abusive and hurtful organization that tears lives and families apart.

Hang in there a be glad you made your exit, along with your wife. My spouse and I did the same thing 3 years ago. We are both born ins with Uber dub families. Our families are not in the same town so they don't know we are completely out. We know they are suspicious. I am getting to the same point as you did. It is getting harder to hold back my disgust for this destructive cult.

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We are STRONG, NOT Weak!!!

by Divergent in

jw
friends

today's text:.

thursday, october 20. assist those who are weak.—acts 20:35.. you may know from personal experience that it can take time to recover from a debilitating physical illness.

similarly, a christian who has been weakened by personal difficulties or very trying circumstances may need time to regain spiritual strength.

ToesUp

Great post Divergent! My spouse and I have never been stronger or happier. What ever happened to having a personal relationship with Jah? They measure strength by the amount of JW tasks you perform.

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Week 16 Since My Disfellowshipping - Update

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

i could really do with you advice regarding my current state since being disfellowshipped 16 weeks ago.. since being given the boot (i did try to fade but it failed) ive been on a rollacoaster of emotions.

lately im getting frequent headaches, tiredness and i have about 3 or 4 thoughts running through my mind at all times.. im passed the sadness phase of discovering it's a cult.

ToesUp

I don't think your family turning their backs on you ever really goes away. You should always be able to turn to family. It is disturbing because it should NEVER happen. NEVER! I am hoping that soon the child abuse thing hits WT right between the eyes. We are hearing that Kingdom Halls are consolidating, branches are closing, bethelites are getting the boot. This makes us hopeful that this is all going to bite WT hard. Keep your chin up and watch WT squirm. That's what keeps us going. Money makes WT tick and they are running out of it and people are leaving. Rejoice and watch WT suffer for its abuse on good people.

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Major congregational quake in Southern California

by Hecce in

this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.

a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.

the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.

ToesUp

A lot of the "consolidations" in Ohio? Interesting!

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An old Kingdom hall now a church?

by HereIgo in

have any of you heard of anything like this.

i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.

apparently the society sold it to the church.

ToesUp

Oh yes...our old KH was sold to a church a few years ago. It was a "head scratching" moment for us.

Yes...hypocrisy at its best!

Can't enter a church for a funeral or wedding, but it's okay to turn a dedicated to Jehovah building over to Christendom? A witness can not do any work on a building owned by Christendom but its ok for WT to sell to Christendom? WTF?

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Dinner plans canceled because "I need to talk to the elders". Huh?

by Darkknight757 in

so this past week the wife and i have received several phone calls and text messages from our old hall.

we were also invited out to dinner to catch up with some old friends.

an hour before dinner this guys wife messaged my wife and said that she "can't wait for tonight!!

ToesUp

You had a awesome dinner with your wife. She is your friend. Enjoy each other! Life is good!

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Dinner plans canceled because "I need to talk to the elders". Huh?

by Darkknight757 in

so this past week the wife and i have received several phone calls and text messages from our old hall.

we were also invited out to dinner to catch up with some old friends.

an hour before dinner this guys wife messaged my wife and said that she "can't wait for tonight!!

ToesUp

Sorry they did that to you. They don't deserve your company. They are not your friends and I would let them know that. If they can be rude, I believe you have the same right. Go get em!

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New, but needed to vent- thank you :-)

by Danni Jackson in

i discovered your website this morning as i was trying to find some information about 'marking'.

you see a very close friend of mine was 'marked' earlier this week and as i know the ins and outs of the situation (as we are close friends) i disregarded the talk immediately as i know my friend is obviously having issues but is no way a 'danger' to anybody else's spiritual health.

basically they are dating a non-believer- hence the talk.

ToesUp

"this is my first experience of hypocrisy in the truth."

Hold on to your hat...it WILL NOT be your last. Hypocrisy is what lead our family out of what you call "the truth."

I hate to be harsh but sorry, it's just my way. If they screw you over once they have not qualms about doing it again.

This is a hateful cult you have joined. If you don't believe me, just stop attending. They will drop you like a bad habit. Nice people, but only if you tow the JW line.

Best advise I can give you is .....RUN LIKE HELL!

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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

by aboveusonlysky in

'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

ToesUp

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