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  WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

  by flipper in

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  2. friends

  however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

  just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

  to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

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  Bumped because of the importance of the topic.
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  My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  this is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.

  following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.

  i used only watchtower publications in my research.

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  "The word "parousia" is translated correctly in NWT Bible. Your Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia did not get you disfellowshipped. The reason of disfellowship is your attitude, disobidient and apostasy. I guess my words will hurt you because I told you truth.

  The truth is what you DON'T have you moronic imbecile.

  Now go back to your mindless state of unconditional obedience to those 7 bozos in Brooklyn.

  And don't forget to send in your donation when you get to the hall so the WTS can settle all those child molestation lawsuits.
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  Russian authorities nab Jehovah’s Witnesses for dumping waste

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if anyone knew about this:.

  http://rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20141107/272536636.html.

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  Not sure if anyone knew about this:

  http://rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20141107/272536636.html
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  I just had fun giving a talk!

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, unfortunately, i'm still on the tms and had a talk tonight (in front of a co, no less) and the talk was on the subject of adultery.

  in the source material there's reference to "spiritual adultery" i.e.

  idolotry or when israel had alliances with pagan nations.

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  "I took the opportunity to throw in a comment about how some religious organizations today even have close ties to the scarlet colored wild beast from revelation - the UN - and we would want to make sure that we are not sinning against god by being involved with such an organization."

  Thanks for the laugh. I can certainly see thought going through the CO's head, "If this guy only knew the truth of the matter."
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  crisis of conscience

  by venting in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you were going to skip some parts of this book which ones would they be?

  whats the best part?

  i know i sound lazy, but i can't read this in bed next to my wife.

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  The parts that deal with deep doctrinal issues. Ray was a keen student of the Bible, highly intellectual in my view, and he knows the proper applicability of the scriptures as he explains them. He uses a common sense approach where he doesn't take them out of context as the WT has, does, and will continue to do so.

  The parts where he's discussing dealings with the GB is very interesting and enlightening. I'm not sure if it was him that mentions it in his book or someone else but the thought of every major appointment, magazine article, assembly talks, and doctrine interpretation, was handled in a very sincere, humble, spiritual way over continual prayer until they felt Jehovah's spirit actually guiding them to mentally decide one way or another. I did not expect the bickering, and politicking that can only be compared to world politics.
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  Leave it in Jehovah's Hands - Your thoughts?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  leave it in jehovah's hands.

  is there a more disgusting phrase in jw land?.

  the abuse, harms, thefts, suicides, family destruction - leave it in jehovah's hands.. why would anyone with a more than 2 neurons say, "oh that makes sense," we do not need to change or intervene in any way.. sooner or later, god will take of things.. .

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  "@ Perry...it's so nice to know that god takes care of you while completely ignoring the other 8 billion+ people on this planet. Apparently your "profitable business" takes priority over starving children, genocides, and diseases. Or, is it that those starving children have not yet "made peace with god"?"

  The current suffering in many parts of the world brings into question Jehovah's Universal Sovereignty right to rule over his creation.

  Perry's success has nothing to do with Jehovah's inaction in many wicked and sad world affairs.
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  Encounter with JWs on Literature Cart , strange happening -maybe ?

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  yesterday i had a conversation with a man and lady who were with a literature cart in our local town centre .

  among other things discussed was the accuracy of the nwt , which i said wasn't very accurate.. the man , of course , led the discussion from the jw perspective and looked up on his phone some quotes from "experts " endorsing the translation .

  he asked the lady to make note of the names , at my request, so that i could check these quotes later .

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  Are you sure it wasn't the start of a square box? She may have started drawing the new JW logo and then got distracted by something.

  Just saying.
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  After Years of Silence My Father Reaches Out to Me

  by truth_b_known in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  brief history:.

  i was a born in.

  my parents were uber-dubs, but never worshipped the organization.

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  "My father was an elder for years until we moved and he was persecuted for professing to be of the annointed."

  From the 2011 August 15 Watchtower section Question from Readers:

  "Memorial partakers. This is the number of baptized individuals who partake of the emblems at the Memorial worldwide. Does this total represent the number of anointed ones on earth? Not necessarily. A number of factors—including past religious beliefs or even mental or emotional imbalance—might cause some to assume mistakenly that they have the heavenly calling. We thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones."

  The GB after noticing the ever increasing number of anointed decided to put this statement out and then subsequently established that ONLY the GB from now on would be the "Faithful and Discreet Slave." The GB was not going to give up power or prominence to anyone regardless of Jehovah's decision. Also, the GB does in fact maintain a list of ALL members that claim to be anointed. The WT maintains an exhaustive and comprehensive list of every single member who has ever been baptized. This is something that most members do not know or could care less about. Most members would be surprised perhaps even shocked to see all of their congregational activities recorded and kept on file. Gotta love the transparency.

  In other words, your Father remains a regular rank and file member although personally being invited by Jehovah God to rule with Jesus.
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  A Religious Quest

  by ReligiousQuest in

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  2. friends

  my name is louie and i'm seeking some help regarding a paper i need to write for a class.

  it is meant to be an individual study project regarding a faith that is different from your own and intrigues you.

  what i am asking is for someone who is willing to answer 10-15 questions regarding their faith.

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  Tenacious

  "...you should be aware that this is a forum populated 99% by former or non-believing Witnesses. You're not going to get many people willing to advocate for the religion. You'll probably get honest answers to your questions, albeit with a heavy tinge of bitterness, but if you're looking for active, believing Witnesses then you will have a hard time finding them there."

  Please note that while we strive to maintain a level of professionalism and common courtesy we reserve the right to trash the Watchtower Society and Tract for their deceitful and unsuspecting ways of luring people while at their lowest morale state. Therefore, please carefully read the above noted fine print.
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  Not on JW.org: Jehovah's Witnesses under fire from former congregants who say child sex abuse was hushed

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/12/jehovahs_witnesses_under_fire.html.

  jehovah's witnesses under fire from former congregants who say child sex abuse was hushed.

  $10.5 million lawsuit against jehovah's witnesses organizations velicia alston, who says she was molested as a child, wants to change the way jehovah's witnesses' leadership responds to child sexual abuse.

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  Tenacious

  Great news and I hope they ALL win their lawsuits and take as much money from Brooklyn soon to be Warwick.