This argument is a favorite used by JW's to try and reduce Jesus to a mere angel.
Not long ago I had a back-and-forth with a JW on YT about this.
It's sad but they are spitting on their Savior all over again.
Tenacious
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Godlike ones vs. the godlike ones?
by I_love_Jeff innwt: psalm 8:5 * hebrew: 2:7: “you made him a little lower than angels.” if men are called "godlike ones", according to jehovah's witnesses, how, then, are they a little lower than the angels also called the "godlike ones"psalm 82:6 “i myself have said, ‘you are gods*, and all of you are sons of the most high.
*or, “godlike ones.” heb., ʼelo·him′; gr., the·oi′; syr., daʼ·la·hin; lat., di′i; t, “like angels.”****nowhere in the hebrew bible are human beings referred to the word "elohim".
"godlike" in hebrew is termed "כמו אלוהים"
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The beauty in being mortal
by HiddenPimo ini am only speaking from my personal point of view and not to encroach on anyone else's belief system:.
one of the main points of attraction to the jw life was the 'panda paradise', once i woke up, i began to think about the future and it made me realize that jw's have little or no regard for life and the way they treat others even in those who are jw's.. e.g.
no blood, shunning, theocratic warfare, no real charity work for those in need, etc.... if we live forever on earth we would get bored, we would take relationships for granted and possible want to actually die.. what makes anything valuable is the not the beauty of it but the rarity of it or the limited amount of it.. time is not only limited but all of our hourglasses are opaque leaving the amount of sand remaining a guess at best, and this is what moves us to appreciate life and ever little thing it gives us.. there is a beautiful and poignant song by jason isbell 'if we were vampires' and it perfectly describes the beauty one can find in ones mortality and how it moves us to love & care deeper than if we were immortal.. the 2nd verse goes .
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Tenacious
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the only thing that will die will be your body.
You, as we recognize ourselves, are made out of pure energy.
Energy packets that pop in and out of existence in a vibration of sorts.
Everything even the sofa I'm sitting on right now is basically energy that our minds can tune into and form them in my case, as a sofa.
Your consciousness will live on brother. Where it goes is up for debate depending on your beliefs.
But energy can neither be destroyed nor created.
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JW Broadcast For August
by APieceOfShitNamedTate inokay i'll admit that what i'm about to ask is a little silly.
this is the kind of stuff that crosses over into tinfoil hat territory, but you can't help but notice it.. did anyone else see gary breaux in this month's broadcast doing that weird "hand diamond" thing over his bible?
he was also wearing a pinky ring.
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Tenacious
I know for a fact that Gary Breaux did this same thing. It's not a coincidence.
Yeah, that is one of things that caught my attention when I saw some of the first JW broadcasts.
The weird way they positioned their hands over the bible.
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The Lords prayer ;Our Father prayer...."Let your name be sanctified " from Jesus.
by smiddy3 inaccording to mathew 6:9 jesus instructed his followers in, vs. 9 " you must pray, then this way "our father in the heavens,let your name be sanctified ..... which rank & file jehovah`s witnesses have been led to believe for the past 140 or so years is to make a personal name of god namely jehovah known to all of the world ,because as they have so loudly professed christendom has kept that name away from the general public.. not true ,raymundus martinus a spanish catholic monk of the 13th-14th century first coined that name for god and it has been used in and on churches throughout christendom in the world ever since.. true christendoms emphasis has been on witnessing about jesus christ which is what the new testament is all about,not jehovah god, but jesus christ .
phillipians 2 :9-11. in the new testament ,( cgs ) jesus christ is never recorded as saying the personal name of god ever.. " " none of the apostles are ever recorded as saying the personal name of god ever.. " " none of his disciples are ever recorded as saying the personal name of god ever.. the new testament ,christian greek scriptures are all about bearing witness about jesus christ and after his time of bringing back people under his kingdom will he turn then it back over to his father, a thousand years when his rule is finished.. that is the message of the"kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" published by the wtb&ts ,says..
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Tenacious
If God the Father wanted His name to be exalted He could have easily preserved it just like He did with THE ENTIRE BIBLE. It would be stupid to say God had the ability to preserve His Son's name just not His. But the JW false argument and those that agree with the exalting of the Father's name is the reason why He did it. The whole Bible is about His Son not Him. It would be even STUPIDER to think the Father needs to hear His name to make sure you are praying to Him. How comical is that?
So what did Jesus mean when he said YOUR NAME BE SANCTIFIED?
It meant for His name to remain pure and clean or spotless. So how was this to be accomplished?
By people obeying His Son! His Son came in His Father's name! Because Jesus came in the name that His Father gave Him which literally translates "God is Savior or God saves."
When the Vice President visits another country they come representing (i.e. the U.S.A. i.e. the President) his boss the President and all that he stands for which is the country as a whole. Disobeying or attacking the VP would be the same as doing it to the one who he represents. So when Jesus came to earth He came in His own name but representing His Father and all He stood for. That is what is meant by coming in "the name" of His Father! Otherwise, would Philippians 2:9 make sense about the name of Jesus?
Moreover, the name Jah is not a shortened version of jehovah. It is the first three letters (no "J" back then but you get the point) of God the Father's proper first name which is Jahweh. Even the GB admits to sticking to "tradition" about the proper name of God the Father instead of reverting to His real name which is Jahweh not jehovah. So much for caring about using God's real name. But they stick to "jehovah" because that is the Masonic version for the devils name. The name jehovah is used by satanists when worshiping the devil.
When a person says "Hallelujah" they are in essence saying "Praise be to God" but in reality they are saying "Praise be to Jah" for HalleluJAH.
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JW Broadcast For August
by APieceOfShitNamedTate inokay i'll admit that what i'm about to ask is a little silly.
this is the kind of stuff that crosses over into tinfoil hat territory, but you can't help but notice it.. did anyone else see gary breaux in this month's broadcast doing that weird "hand diamond" thing over his bible?
he was also wearing a pinky ring.
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Tenacious
They are Masons and the diamond represents something (Dallas Canada explains it I believe) so they will show the sign so other Masons can see it and recognize it. It's all about hiding in plain sight.
Which is why they also put the diamond on the bible on the website.
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Just picked up an original 20s copy of can the living talk with the dead. What are the pages with the craziest stuff?
by rickroll inits the smaller hand book and fragile due to the acid over time.
looking to go though it as little as possible so if anyone knows what pages have the most crazy things i would appreciate it.
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Man, I wish I could get a hold of one. Where did you find yours?
I've been trying to locate an original one and also an old Trinity brochure.
As far as the quotes, I'm not sure but you can probably find some right off the bat.
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I’m calling on you and your neighbours to apologise.....
by DomineIvimus-DI ini spent a few days recently on holiday in the town where i grew up.
my overriding feeling was that i should be going round knocking on doors, searching out 45+ year olds and apologising to them for telling them that the end of the world as we know it would in all likelihood be coming before the turn of the century, and if not very soon after (cue picture in the live forever book).
thank god no one paid me much attention back then.
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Tenacious
When I come across old territories even some where I had "studies" I always feel the same way.
Just that guilt trip we get from knowing how stupid and gullible we really were.
No, but seriously, why aren't you out there knocking doors? J/K.
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The WTS is a shinning example of how one can exploit human ignorance and emotions to create wealth and power.
Finkelstein nailed it.
The level of mind conditioning is so deep for the average JW that the WTS can do and say what they please and the members will ask if there's anything else they need to do.
What sad condition to live in.
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Dangerous promotion of 'Serving where the need is Greater'
by eyeslice2 inboth the june and july broadcasts featured sections about serving where the need is greater.
as i recall, my wife watches them as i hover in the background, india and thailand have both been heavily featured.
next, i hear some friends talking about how they are thinking of moving to india.
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Tenacious
The leaders are targeting third world countries with little to no internet connectivity or availability.
Which basically means they are not very well informed about the JW crimes the world around. And once suckered into the JW cult they'll be even less inclined to research anything anti-JW.
It's the U.S. pre-1990s internet where they are ripe for the picking.
Check out this Washington Post article (here) and map of countries where internet is rarely available due to infrastructure and abject poverty.
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Who In The Hell Is This Guy?
by The Bethelite ini got this pm from edgar james adams.
hello my fellow brethren!.
i am trying to educate people about the positive influence that jehovah's witnesses can have on humanity and on my local community in general!
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Tenacious
Foreign scammer who was stupid enough to think the site is pro-JW.
I say 'foreign' because had he lived in the U.S. he would know there's only one official JW site and anything outside of this are frowned upon.