hi guys, .
in discussions with a current jw, they told me that have big concerns with regards to the 607 bce date, but they are waiting on jehovah for refining.
any suggestions on questions to pose to them based on their feedback?.
The Society will continually ask brothers to "wait on Jehovah" whenever something is inexplicable.
Interestingly enough they seem to be exempt from their own recommendation.
Think about how many times the "light" has gotten brighter.
If the Society would just wait on Jehovah to reveal things (as they claim) there would not be a need to keep adjusting the "light".
this is a crappy letter from the watchtower.
i'm only posting it to show how micro-managers these fools are.
and at the end, they say: "we should avoid making specific rules about somewhat technical matters".
The purpose of these preludes is not to provide background music forPlease allow me to translate:
conversations and association. Instead, they are a means to indicate that the large crowd should
end their conversations and be seated. Sitting and quietly listening to the music also helps us to
prepare our mind and heart to absorb the spiritual program to follow. The prelude is considered
part of our worship, similar to the singing of the assigned songs at these events.
this is a crappy letter from the watchtower.
i'm only posting it to show how micro-managers these fools are.
and at the end, they say: "we should avoid making specific rules about somewhat technical matters".
The purpose of these preludes is not to provide background music for
conversations and association. Instead, they are a means to indicate that the large crowd should
end their conversations and be seated. Sitting and quietly listening to the music also helps us to
prepare our mind and heart to absorb the spiritual program to follow.
Please allow me to translate:
"The purpose of these preludes is not to provide background music for conversations and association. Instead, they are a covert means to prepare your subconscious into readily accepting our propaganda and argumentative fallacies that immediately will follow. Sitting and quietly listening to the music will also help in preparing your mind to a very receptive theta frequency mode which is much more receptive to what we will be telling you and you can absorb it without much critical thinking on your part.
pixel and cappytan - come'on let's have it. My PM works
mr. geoffrey jackson hosts this month's propaganda-fest, and uses a favourite catchphrase of the org - "by extension" - to get out of the dead-end which the scriptwriters had put him in.
he quotes matthew 10:22 - "and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my [jesus'] name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.".
mr. jackson knows only too well that probably no j.w.
It is clear to me and anyone else with common sense that the WTS says to put faith in Jehovah in order to be saved (confirmed just 2 weeks ago at Sunday public talk). No mention at all of Jesus or the necessity of putting faith in Jesus in order to be saved.
Johnamos, you can argue and side with the WTS but what is pronounced from the platform is Jehovah IS the savior period. Read the following passage in Daniel:
(Daniel 7:13, 14). . . “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! With the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.
And if Jesus is ruling now (WTS 1914 teaching) Jesus should be at the helm now per God. End of story, period.
please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.
ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.
things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.
The diverse life on Earth, our perfect ecosystem, and our incredibly complex body and mind is more than enough proof that a Creator does exist. How? The water cycle and how this provides enough water to sustain our existence on Earth. The human body with all its organs working in tandem most of them on autopilot. The diverse and incredibly voluminous amount of animal life found on Earth with different characteristics. The Earth being perfectly positioned from the Sun so life can thrive and our moon which provides nightlight and balances the elements so life can thrive in and out of the sea.
The evolving of life on Earth does not automatically lend itself for concrete proof of a divine Being having created everything but it sure closes the window or at least makes it very narrow for all of these things to have happened by complete coincidence. Ask any scientist to estimate the chances of the aforementioned happening and it becomes unrealistic.
And if a divine Being does exist and we have been told about him in the only book to ever survive this long and be the most widely publicized and printed book in the history of man, there has to be some credibility to this divine Being having a Son named Jesus who later on became the Christ.
how many times have elders read their bible in its entirety?
these are the leaders that give counsel to married couples, to teenagers, to single girls and single boys on everything from marriage, education, sex, association, dress, and recreation..
how well do they know their bible?
To answer your questions in order:
40% yes - I've known many elders, some who I wouldn't piss on even if they were on fire, that can recall many texts when needed. Having a good memory and being an expert are two different things. For one, an expert can reconcile one text with another, understand the context and its applicability to the modern day christian, thereby properly understanding how to implement it if ever.
35% yes - this is a complicated question. This is where the org has tremendous problems with appointing men who are assholes yet because they meet the spiritual criteria (Paul's letter to Timothy) they are appointed. Therefore, that figure will always be 100%. The real figure should be around 10% of currently serving elders who truly reflect the qualities of the Christ.
30% yes - but the other 70% probably out of habit and personal goals but not spiritually inclined to do so.
5% yes - but the other 95% probably for bragging rights and not having anything else to read after getting done with the other mindless propaganda.
i am not da or df, however anyone that knows me, is aware of the fact that i'm an apostate.
i help my witness dad, in his business two days a week, the business is in a public place, where witnesses often visit.. recently some witnesses, from my former congregation, have visited my dad, (not knowing, that i would be there).
yesterday a friend of my dad's came to visit my dad, and as he approached i said "hey fred, how are you?
@ Outlaw - In other posts you have made similar comments about the WTS surviving even a bunker-buster bomb hit (b/b bomb my idea). But if any organization has come close to teaching the fundamental biblical truths (trinity, dead, hellfire, etc.) and can later on be chosen by God to lead the way, it would have to be the WTS carcass or some form thereof. Remember that the majority of JW's are sincere loving people who have been misguided. Most of these people can be found within the R&F with a marginal few being appointed or privileged people.
I would venture to say about 10% of what the WTS is today would survive a major cleaning or refinement by God. I believe the bible does speak of a cleansing in God's house. I think it's in Paul's letter to the Romans not sure though, have to look it up.
my name is alex.
i have been a reader/lurker of this site for over a year now.
first time i am posting.
......if you truly love some one and miss them, regardless of religious beliefs/doctrine, you would reach out to them
Truer words were never spoken.
