Posts by Tenacious

i discovered that my 96-year-old grandaunt had named her jw elder as personal representative of her estate and another jw "best friend" as her power of attorney.

i learned that they used a financial advisor at wells fargo advisors to help raid my grandaunts bank accounts in the years before her death, and then the wt and jws received most of what was left of her estate.

i am currently working on a book to expose this horrific practice.

Tenacious

I know of another case similar to yours. I downloaded the court papers where the WT after having been removed as the beneficiary due to similar unscrupulous acts tried suing the estate.

I'll post a link or send it to you.

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A MODERN FICTION: the lie which became a GOVERNING BODY

by TerryWalstrom in

safe to say, if you walked up to any of the 8 million jehovah's witnesses on earth today and told them the.

governing body was a fiction, not only would they refuse to believe you--they'd consider you their immediate enemy!.

what if i told you jw's embrace a mental construct which is at odds with history?.

Tenacious

Terry - excellent research and breakdown of this belief.

I always enjoy reading your insightful commentary.

Thank you sir.

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I had requested them to put shepherding concerns in writing.

by quincemyles in

last week, i had requested the elders to put their shepherding concerns in writing and that only one elder visits me because i am uncomfortable with two.

well, today they approached me and said we are not able to write to you and we are going to see you the two of us.

i felt how inconsiderate and disrespectful of individuals the watchtower machinery is.

Tenacious

@ quincemyles - I can certainly understand your caution and confusion. In all sincerity, like Searcher mentions, if you wish to continue attending meetings without any fellowship problems, then yes, please take the advice and cease questioning the elders. Sadly, the elders are not equipped spiritually to deal with the reality that the organization has implemented and continues to "go beyond what is written."

The elders, although perhaps having their own doubts, have to toe the line otherwise they themselves will find themselves relieved of their cherished elder position which the organization uses as a carrot.

However, if you really want to make these elders look like complete idiots. I can provide you with the following dialogue:

Considering the organization's record of setting and shedding "new light" and having to correct prophetic dates and seasons. Do the following scriptures apply to them Galatians 4:8-11; Acts 1:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:1, 2; and Deuteronomy 18:20-22? If no, why not?

And if by chance they make the claim that the organization has never said they speak for Jehovah as a prophet. Happily point them to the following articles:

w55 5/15 p. 304 par. 12 Jehovah's Channel of Communication

w64 2/1 p. 68 More Is Needed Than Bibles

w67 9/15 p. 556 par. 9 God's Spirit and Word - Divine provisions for Life

w72 4/1 p. 197 They Shall Know That a Prophet Was Among Them

w89 3/15 p. 21 Insight That Jehovah Has Given

And lastly, to put the nails in their coffin, cite them 2 Peter 1:21 and plainly state: "If the slave, while setting dates and speaking prophecies had actually been guided by holy spirit, they would have never been wrong."

If you wish to maintain your spirituality after you make the elders and anyone else look like the Pharisees, pray to God for guidance, I have no doubt he will sustain you through these very trying times.

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Advice on Waiting for Jehovah

by Anon_SA1 in

jw
friends

hi guys, .

in discussions with a current jw, they told me that have big concerns with regards to the 607 bce date, but they are waiting on jehovah for refining.

any suggestions on questions to pose to them based on their feedback?.

Tenacious

The Society will continually ask brothers to "wait on Jehovah" whenever something is inexplicable.

Interestingly enough they seem to be exempt from their own recommendation.

Think about how many times the "light" has gotten brighter.

If the Society would just wait on Jehovah to reveal things (as they claim) there would not be a need to keep adjusting the "light".

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Re: Music at Theocratic Events

by pixel in

this is a crappy letter from the watchtower.

i'm only posting it to show how micro-managers these fools are.

and at the end, they say: "we should avoid making specific rules about somewhat technical matters".

Tenacious

The purpose of these preludes is not to provide background music for
conversations and association. Instead, they are a means to indicate that the large crowd should
end their conversations and be seated. Sitting and quietly listening to the music also helps us to
prepare our mind and heart to absorb the spiritual program to follow. The prelude is considered
part of our worship, similar to the singing of the assigned songs at these events.

Please allow me to translate:

"The purpose of these preludes is not to provide background music for conversations and association. Instead, they are a covert means to prepare your subconscious into readily accepting our propaganda and argumentative fallacies that immediately will follow. Sitting and quietly listening to the music will also help in preparing your mind to a very receptive theta frequency mode which is much more receptive to what we will be telling you and you can absorb it without much critical thinking on your part.

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Re: Music at Theocratic Events

by pixel in

this is a crappy letter from the watchtower.

i'm only posting it to show how micro-managers these fools are.

and at the end, they say: "we should avoid making specific rules about somewhat technical matters".

Tenacious

The purpose of these preludes is not to provide background music for
conversations and association. Instead, they are a means to indicate that the large crowd should
end their conversations and be seated. Sitting and quietly listening to the music also helps us to
prepare our mind and heart to absorb the spiritual program to follow.

Please allow me to translate:

"The purpose of these preludes is not to provide background music for conversations and association. Instead, they are a covert means to prepare your subconscious into readily accepting our propaganda and argumentative fallacies that immediately will follow. Sitting and quietly listening to the music will also help in preparing your mind to a very receptive theta frequency mode which is much more receptive to what we will be telling you and you can absorb it without much critical thinking on your part.

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wifibandit I PM'ed You

by pixel in

jw
friends

wifibandit i pm'ed you.

Tenacious

@ cappytan - gotcha bro.