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  Have you got a cow that you could sell ?

  by pepperheart in

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  have you got a cow that you could sell for the gb they really really need the money

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  No cow but I know they'd take any profit from trafficking my organs on the black market.
  
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  "Apostates " how honest are we?

  by closed in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as i mentioned in another post i used to serve as an elder for 2 decades.

  i was involved in a number of jc.

  some i dealt with are good friends now.

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  A member that goes against the doctrines by the GB and are subsequently disfellowshipped for "apostasy" although they are not rebelling against God or Scripture but rather the man-made doctrine interpretations, these type of "apostates" are usually very honest and open about their plight. This is the first example.
  

  On the other hand you have the type of member who gets disfellowshipped due to practices condemned by Scripture, let me emphasize, practices that are clearly prohibited in Scripture. These members start off their disfellowshipped life being angry, resentful, and even vengeful perhaps because they were caught, are embarrassed, marriage in trouble, family in shambles, or perhaps for how Elders sometimes will deal harshly with them instead of trying to comfort them and admonish them like the lost lamb that they are. This is the second example.

  The third example is that of members that are disfellowshipped for clearly going against Scripture in believing in things like Hell, Trinity, etc. These members usually will never return to the Organization and almost immediately they will commence posting and openly going against what Scripture is clear on. Once this threshold is crossed, they become very adamant about their position and many times they will start their own church or group.
  

  The fourth and final example is of members who realize that they have been misled by the GB, start to fade quietly, and sometimes move away in order to successfully fade with their entire family and social circle intact.

  It is the second and third examples of those that I have found to sometimes flat out lie or stretch the truth out a bit. Their reasons are obvious; trying to add to their membership roles, and trying to undermine the organization that caught them red-handed but crossing over into actual "apostasy".
  

  The first and second examples will usually remain honest while sometimes extremely critical of the organization but nevertheless they remain honest.

  All of these four examples are members who are lumped into one group as "apostates" by the organization for going against them in some form or another.

  The second example is the classic "apostate" example. While the third example can evolve into other forms that are not Godly such as atheism. Once this happens they will turn on God and start to berate Biblical teachings even lying about Scripture.
  
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  General health after learning TTATT

  by Darkknight757 in

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  4 months ago i was conducting the watchtower study along with a long list of responsibilities that come with being an elder in a very goofy congregation.

  during this time my health was going down hill.

  i've always had a low blood pressure,(102/65 or abouts) but for the past year it had creeped up to 135/90 range.. so 2 months ago after learning ttatt, i'm still considered an elder because the brothers won't let me step down, but i haven't done anything in that time except comment once at a meeting a few weeks ago.

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  Double life

  by Esmeralda001 in

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  is there a way i can successfully live a double life?

  don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to get engaged in activities that are condemnable according to the *bible* (not the *wt*) standards.

  i figured that the only way i can get the brothers and sisters to leave me along is by pretending that i am an unemployed drop out.

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  Tenacious

  Hello Esmeralda.

  Is there anything hold you back such as family?

  I do know you were studying with someone when you first came on the board asking if you should continue and be baptized.

  Has anything changed?

  I would simply tell anyone and everyone to mind their business. Elders and the like can be told not to pry into your personal life and if it's spiritual matters then tell them they are not masters over your faith.

  Buena suerte.
  
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  After 17 years, I went to a KH....really shocked!!

  by Prometheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after severe pressure from my family, i have decided to attend to the nearest kh.

  and a little history regarding my self: i became inactive and lost completely contact of the wt changes and "new light" 17 years ago.. everything seemed so odd and strange during the meeting.

  latest technology, animated movies, watchtower web tv, a website that you can download everything, including km and wt study articles.

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  If you lost track of "new light" then 17 years later the path should kinda look like this:

  
  
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  Governing Body perks

  by Lostandfound in

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  i had heard that gb members flew first class, does anyone know if this is so?.

  also, bethel living accommodation, do they have same standard as all bethelites or do they get luxury quarters.. same for cars, are they provided luxury cars as was once the case?.

  or are they all sharing in the downsizing, who cooks for them, cleans and does laundry.

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  I do know many of the older GB members shared rooms with other r&f.

  But it's really not about the perks but rather the power they wield that can be intoxicating.

  Kings have killed for much less.
  
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  Hello, I'm new here too!

  by redpilltwice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everybody, 1st post here.

  20 years jw, elder for 6 years, regular pioneer for 3 years, have always been following the 2012 candace conti abuse case with much interest, especially since the case suddenly disappeared from www.watchtower.com's news section (thanks brother j. r. brown, office of public information, because it led me to "worldly" websites for more info), leading to more and more dissatisfaction , leading to jwfacts, jwsurvey, ad1914, wtdocuments etc., leading to my awakening about 4 months ago, now fading faster and faster to zero meetings and zero field service...and you know what?

  it feels good!.

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  Hello redpilltwice.

  Welcome to the nut house.
  
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  Half of the cong was dancing last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  2. beliefs

  so went to the meeting last night.

  i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

  besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

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  I skipped the meeting. I don't think I could stomach the glee happy faces of experiencing the new format for the first time.

  I would rather take a hot poker up my.....well you guys get the point.
  
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  A Sister Stops the CO's Bullying

  by Simon Templar in

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  2. experiences

  we had the co a few weeks ago.

  i waited a few weeks for time to pass to post.

  we now have a new co. he started in september and his first visit to our congo was a little while ago.

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  Tenacious

  Hi Simon Templar.

  Please keep them coming.

  I've noticed that the Baby Boomers and some remaining from the Greatest Generation have a short fuse when it comes to GB or Overseer shenanigans. They've been through it and then some and sadly many of them are resentful for the predicament they find themselves in. Paradise was promised decades ago and instead of planting and watering their spacious yards in the New World, they are humping it out in field service weather and health be damned. Many of them living off of the handouts from those who were smart enough to not buy the Cadillac but instead bought the Buick.
  
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  Hello, this is my first post

  by noralee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, this is my first post, i would like to introduce myself and say thank you to every one on this forum, you have been a lifeline to me these last few years.. i had been a jw for 30 years when i walked away a few years ago disgusted by the treatment victims of child abuse, domestic abuse and rape receive from the wtbts.. at first i thought it was a local problem, elders personal opinions, the way they handled the situations, imperfect men etc., until i checked out jehovahs witnesses and child abuse/domestic abuse online.

  that's when i realized they had the same modus operandi worldwide.

  that led me here, tbuo this forum, and then to crisis of conscience, jw facts, watchtower documents, jw survey, old watchtower literature and cd s, reading a couple of steve hassans books, and more recently exiting the jw cult.. the feelings of shock, betrayal, anger at the wtbts, angry with myself for being so gullible, depression, reflection, loneliness, have taken their toll.

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  Tenacious

  Welcome noralee.

  I wish you and your family the very best.

  As members we never come to the realization of just how toxic the Witness community truly is until we put down our JW outfit and look back at it objectively.

  Then we come to realize just how intoxicated we were and even then it's hard to believe we were intoxicated to begin with.

  I can certainly understand how you felt. I believe we all went through that stage of depression, loneliness, and anger. Some of us came out fine, some of us not so much.

  I invite you to PM me anytime you need a listening ear.