Posts by Frantic

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Satanic music or not (Opeth) - boundaries of JW listening material

by Frantic in

as you may or may not know, some jw elders may resent some of their music thier children may listen to.. put simply, a 'death growl' is often viewed as a warped version of satan.

the band opeth use such death grow, however, are not satanic, with one reference to 'demon of the fall' (one of their songs).

they also combine death vocals with beautiful vocals, possibly the best in the business, alongside maynard james kennan (a perfect circle).

Frantic

Hey Jourles,

Those tracks you recommended are very good tracks. I tend to agree Deliverance and Damnation are better albums when comapared to their earlier material. Im quite an Opeth fan, and have doubles of all the albums because my JW sold them to me (demon influences). Hailing from Australia, I seen Opeth in April earlier this year, and unfortunately, they have postponed their Damnation tour to Late March as it is not economically viable.

At the moment, my favourite track is Face of Melinda (usually the Damnation setlist closer). I got into Opeth through the release of Blackwater Park, as did the majority of most Opeth Fans. Get this! My friend got Rid of Deliverance because of the front cover (in the mirror a disturbing face). Master's Apprentice is the best track of the album, however, the track Deliverance (near the end) includes the most oustanding part on any of their albums. Martin Lopez great drumming on Deliverance, wouldnt you agree?

Ive been meaning to get my hands on "In absentia" for a while now but record stores dont have it. Thats good you listen to Opeth, and dont think of Satan, you're the first. My friend who threw out Deliverance still has Damnation, Blackwater Park and Morningrise.

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WOULD YOU GIVE THE JW'S THIS?

by integ in

a jw relative brought out something i actually had to agree with.

we were discussing positive vs. negative aspects of the "truth".

she brought out that the witnesses do not participate in war, and i thought 'gee, that's probably a good thing'.

Frantic

wow. It sounds like you've had your JW experiences - I will definately talk to you guys, but at the same time, getting bible studies from the most irrational man in the history of JWs (smiles). This guy is stubborn. Look forward to talking with you all, and thanks again for the greetings.

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Satanic music or not (Opeth) - boundaries of JW listening material

by Frantic in

as you may or may not know, some jw elders may resent some of their music thier children may listen to.. put simply, a 'death growl' is often viewed as a warped version of satan.

the band opeth use such death grow, however, are not satanic, with one reference to 'demon of the fall' (one of their songs).

they also combine death vocals with beautiful vocals, possibly the best in the business, alongside maynard james kennan (a perfect circle).

Frantic

Thankyou for your replies and keep em coming. Nosferatu I would like to get my hands on that issue of Watchtower you speak off. SNS, I found your story hilarious, especially when you said

My mom freaked out when she looked at it and threw the album (record (out of the cover) into our field saying there were demons with it.

What Mormon beliefs were contained in their lyrics?

To continue my story, Opeth have an Album called My Arms Your Hearse, and on that album is a track called "Demon of the Fall". My JW friend bought all the albums, and in turn, was given his dose of demons when he dreamed later that night - someone came into his room and repeated "Hate Jehovah Hate Jehovah".
When he woke up that morning he went into the computer room with the cd My Arms Your Hearse. He CLAIMS, the cd voluntarily moved accross his computer table and shot against the wall. This freaked him out. He then burnt a copy of the cd, erasing the "Demon of the Fall" track, then going to lengths of ripping out the lyrics contained in the booklet.
Is he imagining this? Or does he want this to happen, just as an excuse to get rid of it?

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Satanic music or not (Opeth) - boundaries of JW listening material

by Frantic in

as you may or may not know, some jw elders may resent some of their music thier children may listen to.. put simply, a 'death growl' is often viewed as a warped version of satan.

the band opeth use such death grow, however, are not satanic, with one reference to 'demon of the fall' (one of their songs).

they also combine death vocals with beautiful vocals, possibly the best in the business, alongside maynard james kennan (a perfect circle).

Frantic

I just sold my System of a Down cds. I was in to them in 1997/8, then everyone hopped on the chop suey bandwagon. Got sick of them after that. Not a huge fan of nu-metal, although Slipknots song "Gently" is probably the best nu-metal song going around along with Mudvaynes "World so Cold"

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Satanic music or not (Opeth) - boundaries of JW listening material

by Frantic in

as you may or may not know, some jw elders may resent some of their music thier children may listen to.. put simply, a 'death growl' is often viewed as a warped version of satan.

the band opeth use such death grow, however, are not satanic, with one reference to 'demon of the fall' (one of their songs).

they also combine death vocals with beautiful vocals, possibly the best in the business, alongside maynard james kennan (a perfect circle).

Frantic

As you may or may not know, some JW elders may resent some of their music thier children may listen to.

Put simply, a 'death growl' is often viewed as a warped version of Satan. The band Opeth use such Death grow, however, are not Satanic, with one reference to 'Demon of the Fall' (one of their songs). They also combine death vocals with beautiful vocals, possibly the best in the business, alongside Maynard James Kennan (A Perfect Circle).

Here is the problem, should JW be able to listen to death growls and not be influenced by satan, just because it sounds evil?. Furthermore, most of you would be familiar with M Manson and his satanic stunts. Jeordie white (bassist for Manson) now plays in A perfect Circle, and as a result of this, my friend (JW) has stopped listening to A Perfect Circle.

I could go on forever describing, but it would help if anyone is familiar with the music I am talking about, thus saving a lot of time. Please discuss, your musical boundaries. What should be allowed/disallowed. Is Opeth, A Perfect Circle have satanic qualities like my friend claims?

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WOULD YOU GIVE THE JW'S THIS?

by integ in

a jw relative brought out something i actually had to agree with.

we were discussing positive vs. negative aspects of the "truth".

she brought out that the witnesses do not participate in war, and i thought 'gee, that's probably a good thing'.

Frantic

awwwww a PM, see in Australia PM is Prime Minister (smiles)

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WOULD YOU GIVE THE JW'S THIS?

by integ in

a jw relative brought out something i actually had to agree with.

we were discussing positive vs. negative aspects of the "truth".

she brought out that the witnesses do not participate in war, and i thought 'gee, that's probably a good thing'.

Frantic

hi tinkerbell, sorry what is PM (blushes) - is this computer terminology, hehe

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WOULD YOU GIVE THE JW'S THIS?

by integ in

a jw relative brought out something i actually had to agree with.

we were discussing positive vs. negative aspects of the "truth".

she brought out that the witnesses do not participate in war, and i thought 'gee, that's probably a good thing'.

Frantic

I give JWs credit for giving people hope

Until They Leave or go insane

Some go insane with reason. I like to use the analogy of being stuck in a broom closet - cramped and restricted.

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WOULD YOU GIVE THE JW'S THIS?

by integ in

a jw relative brought out something i actually had to agree with.

we were discussing positive vs. negative aspects of the "truth".

she brought out that the witnesses do not participate in war, and i thought 'gee, that's probably a good thing'.

Frantic

thankyou for the greeting. Ill be sure to 'check it out' first. Similarly, finding the loop holes, if any : )

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WOULD YOU GIVE THE JW'S THIS?

by integ in

a jw relative brought out something i actually had to agree with.

we were discussing positive vs. negative aspects of the "truth".

she brought out that the witnesses do not participate in war, and i thought 'gee, that's probably a good thing'.

Frantic

Give JW's credit? I know a lot of JWs who are shut off from contemporary world (I mean with reason, its terrible). Some are sociopaths, hardly go out, which in my view, drives them to insanity. They always deliver the saying in a pre-packaged manner - "Its getting harder and harder to be a Jehovah's Witness". This is true. They claim - "Its hard to walk in one direction while everyone else is running in the other". I am not a Jehovah's Witness - but want to be. Im currently looking into it - its seems like the "truth". The Truth I live now, truthfully, isnt getting me anywhere. I give JWs credit for giving people hope - something the modern day world lacks immensly.