Posts by Awakenednow

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July's watchtower leaves out some important info from a quote!

by stavro in

jerome over on discuss the truth has picked up on something interesting.. in the july watchtower on page 28 of the article entitled “winning the battle for your mind” the following statement is made “keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.

because propaganda is likely to be most effective, says one source, if people… are discouraged from thinking critically.”.

the quote comes from a book entitled: “media and society in the twentieth century: a historical introduction by lyn gorman, david mclean" the watchtower however, chose to leave out a portion of the quote.. the full quote is "therefore, it is likely to be most effective if people do not have access to multiple sources of information and if they are discouraged from thinking critically.. the following sentence which the watchtower also decided was best not to include states,.

Awakenednow

Thanks for your post! The intent to manipulate and deceive is appalling... wolves in sheeps clothing!

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JW Letter Writing Conspiracy

by freemindfade in

just had a wild conspiracy theory.

get your tin hats everyone.

what if this mass letter writing is all a bethel conspiracy to increase declining service hours?

Awakenednow

I like how you think freemindfade. 👍

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

Awakenednow

Oh and remember that you posed the question of the 144k to him... let him answer and just tell him you appreciate him making the effort to help you understand. Don't give him your opinion or say more then he asks, just nod and say huh I can see that or just, I don't get it... but don't argue the doctrine. Let him do all the teaching. If he asks you your feelings say you sorta understand what he's saying but you probably need some time for what he said to sink in and you'll keep studying to build up your faith.

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

Awakenednow

Good advice all, I agree it's best to play along too as you are complying to keep peace with the folks, but if you do bring up controversial subjects always ask questions like, ?what do you think of this or that? That way the elder is defending his belief and not challenging yours. If he turns it on you just say huh, I'm not sure ...I was just wondering and drop it. It's best not to try to argue facts, just stay humble it'll feed his ego and you'll demonstrate the right attitude to him. One obvious question that's not so in your face that festered with me was in the revelation book when all those district assemblies supposedly fulfilled the trumpet blasts in revelation. You could say, bro elder, I totally don't get it, what's the deal with the assemblies having anything to do with revelation prophecy? Could you tell me about how that works? if it gets weird you just say, I'll just have to pray about that but I appreciate your point, thank you. But ask for help to understand the stuff and just act willing to be teachable, in that way maybe he'll choke on some of the crazy doctrine himself and you'll still be able to maintain peace in your situation without compromising your own thinking ability.

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How deep is the rot?

by JeffT in

by now it seems obvious that the gb and other leaders of the wtbs are corrupt.

the pedo scandal and various financial schemes are sustained by either lack of concern or greed at the top.

my question is how far down the food chain does this go?

Awakenednow

If they've grown up in the org, then they've been molded by the "god appointed" "follow the men in charge blindly no matter the logic, even scriptural logic, GB command". Instead of letting the scriptures mold the doctrine, they now seem to desperately twist and change the scriptures to support old debunked beliefs like the slave parable and 1914. Funny how they undid the evil slave class as literal and now it's figurative, but can't seem to do the same for the faithful slave parable. They now are grasping at straws and will fight until they can't deny the truth that they have become what they preached against. I'm just remembering those old wt cartoons with the pope and clergy being ridiculed for doing and being what the witnesses now do and are. So, to the point, the GB as molded by years of indoctrination and self-doctrination, have crushed their own individual critical thinking skills which the Bible says to protect at all costs and have become the blind leading the blind. Humbly submitted...

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WTS unholy alliance

by Steel in

sorry this is copy and paste but still i very interesting read imho.

often, civil libertarians, and even occasionally christian conservatives, praise the watchtower society and jehovah's witnesses for what those ignoramuses erroneously characterize as the cult's decades-long fight to expand religious and other civil rights/liberties in american society.

(erroneous because jws could care less about expanding rights/liberties for anyone but themselves.

Awakenednow

Smh😳 Wow... thanks for that post

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WT Scours Internet

by berrygerry in

interesting thread on another site.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5zinu6/our_leakers_are_to_be_commended_from_the_recent/.

wt must have devoted a certain amount of resources to this - at least on a daily basis..

Awakenednow

Thanks for the links and postings!1 much appreciated!

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WT Scours Internet

by berrygerry in

interesting thread on another site.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5zinu6/our_leakers_are_to_be_commended_from_the_recent/.

wt must have devoted a certain amount of resources to this - at least on a daily basis..

Awakenednow

Why don't they just have the same policy for every branch? Stupid and it's obviously not a Christian organization if the Law has to force them to give a damn about the children beyond lip service. Don't they understand they need to protect the innocent? Friggin hypocrites only caring about cya (covering Yo Ass). Just from a financial and practical sense they should go with the guidelines of this ARC report for every branch. It's not hostile. And the way they take liberties with the old law covenant that's obsolete to justify archaic positions that are as insane as stoning disobedient kids, surely they can offer "new light" to do the right thing. (Such as the sound scriptural reasoning presented during the hearings) They just look like a bunch of bozos and that is not Jehovahs doing, but their own. Obviously they don't represent him as they claim.... by their fruits you will know my followers. I read that once upon a time.

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Crop circles

by Chook in

what causes them ?.

Awakenednow

Contact in the Dessert - Joshua tree CA. May 19-22. Experts in the field there to discuss.

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Todays WT theme scripture

by NikL in

so today's study article uses 1cor 3:17 as it's theme text.. i looked it over and if you read from 14 an interesting thing happens.... 14 but their minds were dulled.+ for to this present day, the same veil remains unlifted when the old covenant is read,+ because it is taken away only by means of christ.+ 15 in fact, to this day whenever moses is read,+ a veil lies upon their hearts.+ 16 but when one turns to jehovah,* the veil is taken away.+ 17 now jehovah* is the spirit,+ and where the spirit of jehovah* is, there is freedom.+ .

so my question is, is it by "means of christ" or by "turning to jehovah" that the veil is taken away?.

in any other translation i've looked at, the use of the word lord is employed leading one to assume that it's turning to the christ that takes the veil away..

Awakenednow

Hmmmm maybe they need another translation revision

great catch.

well they'd probably say when you turn to jehovah by means of christ...