earlier this month, the supreme court of the northwest territories rendered judgement on this case, involving grandparents rights of access to their grandchildren and their right to expose the grandchildren to their religion.
practising jehovahs witnesses.. tracy ewanchuk (respondent): the mother of asia and alecsa.
a second is that he views their exposure to his religious practices as something that is healthy for them.
You're quite right about the JWs, Tracy -- they're a nasty, destructive cult and need to be taken down many notches by the judicial system.
I'm so glad you had the guts to do what you did, and that you came out on top. I'm most happy for your kids, who won't be exposed to the stupidities and guilt-inducing doctrines of this cult.
My daughter quit the JWs at age 14 and came to live with me. She's far happier, and has a mind of her own rather than one prostituted to a destructive cult.
AlanF
this is my first post and here's my story.. my father became a witness long ago and my mom remained a lutheran.
our attendance was sporadic due to mom's opposition.
they knew our mom was lutheran and that she kept us from attending many meetings.
To me, what you should do now is a no-brainer: don't go back to the KH!
The JWs are a nasty, destructive cult. The sooner they disappear, the better off the world will be.
AlanF
hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
Scholar pretendus has all sorts of mathematical difficulites.
Zechariah mentions two approximately 70-year periods, starting and ending in different years, which he claims are both identical and both 70 and 90 years long. He has yet to explain how 70 = 90, or how periods with different start and end dates can be the same.
Jeremiah and 2 Chronicles, backed up by the Watchtower, both clearly indicate that the 70 years prophesied by Jeremiah end in 539 B.C., and scholar pretendus -- given new input from Mommy's Isaiah book -- now admits that this is so. But he also claims that this same period ends in 537 B.C. He has yet to explain how the same period can end in two different years. He also has failed to explain why a period starting in 609 B.C. and ending in 539 B.C. cannot be THE 70 years of Jeremiah, especially when it meets every biblical criterion.
It's no wonder this pretend scholar flunked out of a simple graduate program in religious studies. Note that "religious studies" is to a hard discipline like theology as "engineering science" is to engineering. They're dumbed-down versions of the real thing intended to give a survey rather than an in-depth education. Flunking out of such is like flunking out of basket-weaving.
AlanF
common to almost all flavours of the christian faith is the teaching of the ransom.
that the sacrifice of jesus' perfect human life paid back the debt of the perfect human life which our forefather adam had forfeited.. but is it truly a 'corresponding sacrifice'?.
points to consider:.
The doctrine is ridiculous no matter which of the many Christian interpretations is put on it.
Fundamentally, it's illogical to think that killing a 3rd party for sins committed by a 2nd party against a 1st party results in real justice. The logic is that of ancient middle eastern nomadic tribes, which is at extreme odds with modern ideas of justice. Similar ideas can be found in the Muslim notion that murder can be atoned for by paying a sufficient sum of money to the dead person's family.
For my extensive debunking of the Watchtower's version of this idea, see my essay on "God's Justice" here: http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
AlanF
kind of a continuation of my previous thread, does anyone know when christ's invisible presence was changed to 1914 form 1874 ???.
the prophecy book (1929), mentions it as positively being in 1874, i've seen a few watchtowers from 1930 say the same.. surely there must of been a huge book or watchtower mentioning the change.
this would of been the most important "new light" ever for witnesses.
The date of the change is not clear from Watchtower literature. A 1931(?) booklet (I can't remember the name, but I can found out given some time) first mentioned that Christ returned in 1914, with no mention of 1874 or a change. The Watchtower magazine after that contains some very unclear references to 1874, 1914 and other dates, but I've never found anything clear enough to say with certainty that either date was definitely claimed as the date of Christ's return. The first mention I know of about the change was in the 1973 book God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached. It claims that the date was changed in the 1943 book The Truth Shall Make You Free. Both books were written by or under the direction of Fred Franz, so I suppose he ought to know.
My suspicion is that there was internal uncertainty among top WTS people from the late teens onward, especially Rutherford, Woodworth and Franz, about the date, and that as time progressed and other old dates were dropped, the thinking leaned towards dropping 1874 and hanging everything on 1914. But to change such a fundamental date could be catastrophic in terms of lost membership. I suspect that Franz and Knorr, after Rutherford's death in 1942, decided that that was the time to "fix" a lot of chronological problems. So during the next few years, 1874 was officially dropped and migrated to 1914; 606 was migrated to 607; 536 was migrated to 537; etc. etc. etc.
AlanF
hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
Narkissos said to scholar pretendus:
: You can't have it both ways.
Why not? Doubletalk is the Society's "spiritual food", and doublethink lets JWs swallow it.
AlanF
i'm having a bit of a clear out.
is anyone interested in buying 1917 edition of the finished mystery?
or millennial dawn vol 6?.
Sirona, PM me.
AlanF
has there ever been any so-called evidence brought forth by the wtbs that there has been an increase in earthquakes since 1914??
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inquiring minds would like to know..
Over the years, they've made plenty of such claims, even going so far as to claim that quakes are 20 times worse in the 20th century than previous centuries. Their "studies", however, are studies in how to lie by cooking statistics -- to the point of being completely fraudulent. As of the early 1990s, they've backed away from such demonstrably false claims, so that today, most WTS literature simply says, "Jesus predicted earthquakes; we see earthquakes." Of course, this itself is ridiculous, and means no more than claiming that "Jesus said the sky will be blue; we see a blue sky."
AlanF
they are adding a second floor to this hall that they have had for at least 40 years.
in gunhill rd bronx new york city.
i started by asking dumb questions .
Bravo, johnnycip!
AlanF
hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
Like I said, scholar pretendus, repetition for emphasis may get you a long way in your Kingdom Hall, but not in scholarly circles.
Unless you deal with the actual scriptures you claim support your position -- namely, post them on this thread, and show why they support your claims -- you have no hope of convincing anyone besides yourself. That's because of your a priori committment to swallowing everything spewed from Mommy's teats. We all know perfectly well that if Mommy told you tomorrow to drop 607 and accept 587 you'd do it in a heartbeat. Such is the power of cult-think.
AlanF
