Posts by Heisenberg

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Would a loving creator give humans the gift of free will?

by Heisenberg in

they say ignorance is bliss... well, i wish that god did not give adam free will.

i am ok to not have free will if it means i will live forever in perfect paradisiac conditions.it has been explained that free will is a gift from god.

they say 'who would want to live life like a robot?

Heisenberg

They say ignorance is bliss...

Well, I wish that God did not give Adam free will. I am OK to not have free will if it means I will live forever in perfect paradisiac conditions.

It has been explained that free will is a gift from God. They say 'Who would want to live life like a robot?' I guess it depends on what you get in return. Would you give up free will if you could live forever and never get sick, suffer, etc? I would.

We've also been told that God gave us free will so that we would worship him because we choose to do so... not because we are forced to do it.

So this means that God's selfish desire to be worshiped by humans is the cause for all the suffering on the earth! If he was a loving creator, would he put his creation in a position that could be harmful to their future? Let's be honest... God would have known that there was a high probability his creation would sin. He did create them after all so he knew their capabilities.

Let's think as an "imperfect human". If you had the power to protect your children from harm, would you do it? If you could stop them from ever dying even though some of their freedom would be restricted, would you do it?

Why couldn't God embed a directive in us that we could never sin against him? In the same way that we cannot fly, we would not be able to do wrong in his eyes and therefore we would live forever. We could never do anything wrong.

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2034 is going to be a huge letdown for the dubs

by wha happened? in

i've seen a few postings of a possible "next date" for dubs of 2034. based on an article they published comparing the last days to the days of noah.

preaching for 120 years.

however, i noticed a little tidbit from wiki about age:.

Heisenberg

I think the 'overlapping generation' teaching may fit perfectly with the year 2034...

As an example, let's use Fred Franz as the 'first generation'. Born in 1893, he was baptized around 1913-14 and since everyone back then was anointed he fits into the 'first generation'. He died in 1992.

The 'second generation' would have to include those who were anointed before 1992. Post 1935, I don't know of many who realized they were anointed at a young age so you would need to assume that the second generation would have been around 40 years old in 1992. Fast forward to 2034... the second generation would be 82.

So the 120 years Noah teaching and the overlapping generation teaching both seem to point to the same time. Sounds like a conspiracy.

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Is ignorance a choice for Jehovah's Witnesses in todays information age?

by Watchtower-Free in

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Heisenberg

I chose to say that

No, you think you did.. but you didn't. What generates thoughts in your mind?

Do you think you have control of what your brain is processing? If that is the case, people could just will themselves better when they are suffering depression. External factors beyond our control have resulted in causal events that impact you daily. From your birth onwards, every event you experience and decision you make is the result of a previous event... most of these outside of your control or even influence.

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Is ignorance a choice for Jehovah's Witnesses in todays information age?

by Watchtower-Free in

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Heisenberg

There is no such thing as choice. It is an illusion.

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JW Blood Doctrine Constitutes Idolatry

by TTATTelder in

if you sacrifice your life for something - that is devotion to the highest degree and can in certain context constitute worship.. .

as has been discussed many times on this forum, the blood doctrine of being willing to sacrifice life to honor a symbol of life (blood) is ludicrous (see this excellent thread by cofty http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273265/my-explanation-why-they-got-wrong-about-blood-using-only-nwt?page=1).

it is also idolatry.... .

Heisenberg

If you sacrifice your life for something - that is devotion to the highest degree and can in certain context constitute worship.

So if you sacrifice your life for your child, does that mean you are worshiping your child? No reasonable person would say you were worshiping your child. People would think you did it for love.

Many people sacrifice their life for a belief or a cause that they feel strongly about. Does their determination to die for such a belief mean they are worshiping it?

If you are answering yes to the above questions, you seem to have the wrong definition for worship.

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Need to vent: Wife just went in full cult mode, huge fight. she is so brainwashed

by goingthruthemotions in

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out of the blue my wife started to ask me about my feeling about the borg.

i told her i didn't want to talk about it...she persisted.

she already knows how i feel, i told her that my biggest beef is that they use mind control, and yep she went in to how i was an apostate and how she doesn't want to be married to an apostate.

Heisenberg

@Honesty

Jesus made whose name known?

John 17:26 says "and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known,"

Do you think Jesus would have thought his own name** would be more important that God's?

** Many say that we shouldn't use the name Jehovah as it is the anglicized name of Yahweh and even then we don't know how it was pronounced. Well, in that case, we shouldn't use the name Jesus either. We should be calling him Yehoshua or Yeshua (i.e. Joshua). Why is it appropriate to use the the English name that originated from the Latin form of a Greek name (Iesous) but not Jehovah?

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But, no one has ever ACTUALLY "Witnessed Jehovah"!

by kairos in

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this just came to me, must have been mentioned before, right?.

the name of the group is a lie!!.

we all announced and taught that we were "jehovah's witnesses".. i'm struggling to find more words right now..

Heisenberg

An eye-witness is different to a witness. The word 'witness' can also mean proof/evidence or knowledge obtained from observing or experiencing something.

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What is truth?

by Heisenberg in

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well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

Heisenberg

A few more replies to those that have posted since my last post.

Posted By THE GLADIATOR

it is inevitable that some members are unable to feel love for people who are not part of their organization.

Wow. That is absurd. I have never met a witness who is unable to feel love for non JWs because of their faith.

Posted by Ucantnome

I think my life would have been different if I had pursued what I am good at.

Why didn't you? You must take full responsibility for that decision. You cannot blame your parents, friends or your cousin for the decision that you ultimately made. I think it is naive to say that an organization was responsible for the way your life turned out.

Posted by Phizzy

The Misogynistic, Homophobic, pro-Slavery "morality" of the Bible is not good enough for the 21st Century.

Yes, that may be true if you do not have faith in the bible. But for those that profess their trust in God and the bible, they must take it all as it is. You can't call yourself a Christian and then at the same time condone the practice of homosexuality. The two are not compatible.

Posted By Vidqun

A good example is the nation of Israel. What happened to them when they made alliances with the nations? The prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah had a lot to say about it.

JWs did not make an alliance with the UN. They registered with a certain department to obtain information. Yes, in hindsight, it was a mistake. But it is the exception to the rule. JWs rank and file and the Org continue to remain neutral.

Posted by THE GLADIATOR

We make decisions on information that we receive from what we believe to be a reliable source. In this case an organization that claims to be appointed by God. If it turns out that the 'reliable source' is just a bunch of liars, any scorn should be directed at them and not their victims. That is how the law works in any civilized country.

What made you believe it was a reliable source? The 'lies' have been there before you joined but you didn't realize at the time. Maybe you were just easily deceived. Isn't it really your own fault? And which country has an actual law that allows you to scorn anyone who deceived you? Caveat emptor!

Posted by EdenOne

Very few ex-JWs argue that is wrongful that the congregation is entitled to terminate fellowship with those who refuse to comply with the rules, moral or doctrinal. However, shunning is another matter.

Do you think it would be better to expel them from the congregation but still allow them to socialize with the members of the congregation? How would that work? What effect would the expulsion have if they are still allowed to keep in contact with everyone? It would be pointless.

If someone violated the rules of this forum, what do you think Simon would do? As has happened in the past, he would disable their account to stop them from contaminating the board.

Posted by EndofMysteris

I believe in God or a God because when I see all life, plants, the cycles on the Earth, etc, I see intelligent design.
If matter is eternal, can't be created or destroyed but changed in one form or another, how is that easier to believe then God having always been (neither created or destroyed).

Your two statements above are a contradiction. If the earth and everything in it is evidence of intelligent design, then wouldn't you expect that an intelligent creator would be even more evidence that it must have been created by an intelligent designer of its own?

The bible says after Jesus leaves it would be the spirit that would guide people, not a physical temple, from what I've read it seems the bible teaches truth can't be found with people but they can encourage when you meet and associate with like minded.

The bible says a lot and it is left up to people to interpret its meaning. Since everyone has their own opinion, they cant all be right. Not all these 'good people' who have love among themselves are right. They cant all have the truth.

Posted By goingthruthemotions

Spoke like a true JWombie....the B.I.T.E model is in full effect. hope one day you see the light.

If you look into the so called BITE model, during different periods of history it can be applied to most religions and still for many religions today. Especially, one very large one.

And never say never. Why is your mind so closed? Seems like your are just like any other regular JW. Don't let your emotions control you.

Posted by OnTheWayOut

As far as your opinion that everyone would get to choose from two (or three) possible belief systems, who are you to decide. People can do/believe all kinds of things.

That is just my opinion. I get to decide because it is my opinion but it doesn't mean I am correct. I never said I was right, that is why I said it was my opinion. You say "people can believe all kinds of things", then why do JWs get a verbal bashing for what they beleive in. If it is OK for 99.9% of the population to beleive in their particular lies, why cant the other 1% continue to beleive in their lie?

Posted by Vidqun

Judge for yourself whether these are applied correctly.

Who am I to decide if these are applied correctly? The bible is open to interpretation. You cannot be right on the meaning of these scriptures any more than a member of the GB is right.

Because most cases are handled internally, they are never sorted out and the victims do not get the necessary counselling or treatment - thus no closure.

I agree that there have been many mistakes made in the handling of the cases involving pedophilia. I don't understand why the parents would not take this matter to the police themselves. This responsibility rests with the parents and they should be going directly to the police. Anyone that tries to stop them should be put in their place.

Posted by jhine

The Great Commision of taking the Gospel to the ends of the earth is taken very seriously by all Christian groups . There are MANY interdenomiational faith groups in every far flung place on the globe preaching the Gospel message . I cannot give figures at the moment but the idea that Christendom does not do worldwide preaching work is totally a JW lie .

Sorry, but I will need some evidence to believe this. Which religion and how many countries are they in? How many languages do they preach in? How many bibles have they translated? Worldwide means across the entire earth not just a select group of countries.

Your statement that if the Watchtower has it wrong then there is no God is only Watchtower propagander designed to stop people from joining any other faith group , an example of their control policy . It does seem to work judging by the amount who leave and become atheists , a sort of "if we can't have you no one will " policy

I don't remember the 'Watchtower' ever writing this anywhere or relaying it from the platform. The reason I mentioned this in my previous post is because every other main stream religion in this world is not teaching their followers to live in harmony with the bible. Their beliefs are not in harmony with what the bible teaches. If the JWs can be proved wrong (which they have), the others don't stand a chance either. If you believe that there are other religions that are right, then you are just as deluded as the JWs who you attack on this website.

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How to explain the HYPOCRISY of the JW blood doctrine with out getting DFd?

by Crazyguy in

the jws since 1945 have taught that one should commit suicide and sacrifice oneself to god rather the take blood.

then in 2006 in an awake they said one could take hemoglobin even cow hemoglobin.

since hemoglobin makes up 96% of what a red blood cell is and 45% of the total volume of blood and is the key component of what makes blood work, how does one explain that this is obviously hypocrisy and do it in a way as to not get dfd?

Heisenberg

@notsurewheretogo

I like your reasoning.

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Proof for the IMMORTAL soul triggered my doubt on JW teachings!

by abiather in

once i was talking to myself: religions are all about sacrifices (and rituals), viewing god as a means to get forgiveness of sins and material benefits, and bible is no exception.

yet the foundation of the universe is on the never-failing principle of cause and consequences, something which god will never violate.

forgiveness of sins is a violation of principle of cause and consequencessomething that bible itself ironically upholds in galatians 6:7 and in many other verses!

Heisenberg

Your post is illogical. That is all.