seesthesky

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  Are most people just plain stupid?

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
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  what an audacious question!

  " wow, bradley -- how could you stoop to such levels?

  do you consider most people as simple sleepwalkers through life not paying much attention to reason, logic, science, history and a desire to understand?

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  seesthesky

  lol - almost lost me bet - lol - u come thru again - thanks abbadon - i even got a bonus : - ) - thx mate
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  Are most people just plain stupid?

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an audacious question!

  " wow, bradley -- how could you stoop to such levels?

  do you consider most people as simple sleepwalkers through life not paying much attention to reason, logic, science, history and a desire to understand?

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  seesthesky

  one more thing - when i "yawn" i do so to indicate my physical state - i.e, the fact that at the time of the writing i was/am tired
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  Are most people just plain stupid?

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an audacious question!

  " wow, bradley -- how could you stoop to such levels?

  do you consider most people as simple sleepwalkers through life not paying much attention to reason, logic, science, history and a desire to understand?

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  seesthesky

  littletoe: please show me the condescending statement and explain why it is condescending abbadon: please direct me to any theories (published or unpublished in scientific journals) which posit that time and space do constitute matter - i am open to learning as well - if this is YOUR theory, please explain it - or, if you have published the theory please tell me in what journal
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  Are most people just plain stupid?

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an audacious question!

  " wow, bradley -- how could you stoop to such levels?

  do you consider most people as simple sleepwalkers through life not paying much attention to reason, logic, science, history and a desire to understand?

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  seesthesky

  yawn - i won another small sum - the bet concerned the number of words i would receive in response - i guessed the correct range - strange bet, eh? -
  
  saying that an approach to understanding or that a belief system announces one's epistemic naivety does
  not constitue a derisive remark - i.e., it does not amount to ridicule -
  
  it merely describes the uncritical acceptance of large amounts of accumulated data, the uncritical acceptance of methods of knowing and the failure to address or come to terms with the contradictions, fictions, and fallacies in that data and in those methods -
  
  in fact it describes the way most people navigate through their universes of limited understanding - i.e., as humans we know practcally nothing - to learn we accumulate data and invent methods of understanding so that we may drawconclusions about that data - when we find a particular method of understaning workable because it proves reliable in predicting outcomes it becomes difficult to question that method of understanding - this appears to occur in all disciplines and all systems of knowing -
  
  indeed, it is not uncommon in "hard" sciences to openly ignore data that might topple a theory because doing so might impede progress toward a goal unaffected by such data
  
  
  "and, out of sheer curiosity, who would I attribute your thoughts to, other than you?"
  
  i apparently deleted part of that sentence - i think i intended to communicate that my thoughts actually derived from minds mch greater than mine and from many disciplines -
  
  "... well, if you are telling people how wrong they are and the very foundation of your justification is based on bad science, well, maybe you deserve a little derision?"
  
  point to a specific statement of mine which constitutes bad science please
  
  "I addressed your point. Your starting premise is unsupported and everything else in your post depends upon that premise."
  
  please explain to me how my premise is unsupported - a mere announcement from you that my premise has no support does not prove your point
  
  "I do have doubts that you would recognise a 'well established principles of physics' even if you were accelerating at 9.8m/s/s."
  
  what does g - the acceleration of gravity (i should say the alleged acceleration of gravity) - have to do with this discussion?
  
  "Keep your pathetic fantasies to yourself, they don't impress me. Simply prove what you say"
  
  abbadon, you, in your responses, have proven what i said - thanks
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  Are most people just plain stupid?

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an audacious question!

  " wow, bradley -- how could you stoop to such levels?

  do you consider most people as simple sleepwalkers through life not paying much attention to reason, logic, science, history and a desire to understand?

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  seesthesky

  also - abbadon - attributing my thoughts to me then derisively labeling them crackpot exposes the fact that for some reason you felt/thought it necessary to name call instead of address i don't know why nor do i particularly care but i must point out that the "carackpot" foundations of my post simply reiterate well established principles of physics, absent the math (correct my use of absent if you will - lol - help me win another bet) indeed, i know quite precisely of what i speak because i helped establish some of these foundations in these dying years, i now like to use that knowledge and my knowledge of human behavior to make wagers based on predictions of human behavior with those less cynical than I - please help me win another bet by making another interesting response - ciao
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  Are most people just plain stupid?

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an audacious question!

  " wow, bradley -- how could you stoop to such levels?

  do you consider most people as simple sleepwalkers through life not paying much attention to reason, logic, science, history and a desire to understand?

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  seesthesky

  well - your response proves my point to a friend with whom i had a bet - i won a nice sum - thanks
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  Are most people just plain stupid?

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an audacious question!

  " wow, bradley -- how could you stoop to such levels?

  do you consider most people as simple sleepwalkers through life not paying much attention to reason, logic, science, history and a desire to understand?

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  seesthesky

  Time and space do not, as far as we know, constitute matter. Despite the near-universal assumption that time and space have bases in reality, those concepts do not exist absent a consciousness to experience them. All thoughts (studies, etc.) about the physical world, however, must take time and space into consideration and by doing so combine subjectve elements (time and space) with objective ones (e.g., the motion of actual matter such as proteins or flood waters). To make "workable" sense of our world, it apears we cannot escape this assembling of subjective elements with objective ones (i.e., how could we study any physical reality without taking into account time and space?). Thus, anything we "know" most certainly results from the various fictions we invent to account for time and space (most of which have no basis whatsoever in reality). Given this, it seems imprudent to claim that any one epistemelogical method of determining truth stands superior to another. Indeed, such thinking announces one's epistemic naivety. manna
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  The End of this world

  by U.2.K. Tha Greate$t in

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  alright alot of people say that the jehovah witness was going on preaching in the early 1900's about how the end was coming before soon and those who was born or living in the year 1918 would still be alive to see christ second coming(or coming and not be seen).

  i would'nt know nothing about that, cause i was'nt even born till 1981. but from my study's from the witness, they told me that sort of preaching was never going on.

  anyway the point to this post is, "we all know that nobody knows when the end of "this world" will come, the messiah made this clear and said only "god knows".

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  seesthesky

  aghhhhhhh
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  DO YOU THINK E-WATCHMAN IS A JW OR A POSER?

  by manna in

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  i came across this site - http://e-watchman.com/ - it is the e-watchman, an alleged jw.

  i think e-watchman is using crude covert tactics to cause doubt in the minds of jws.

  eat manna - it's good for you man na

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  Why would any of you think I am e-watchman- just because of two distinct and unrelated occurrences? So, Bill Gates closed his bank account at BankOne a week ago and just yesterday an annonymous person donated a billion dollars to suffering children in Iraq - Damn, Bill Gates must be the annonymous donor - manna, that's strange
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  DO YOU THINK E-WATCHMAN IS A JW OR A POSER?

  by manna in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across this site - http://e-watchman.com/ - it is the e-watchman, an alleged jw.

  i think e-watchman is using crude covert tactics to cause doubt in the minds of jws.

  eat manna - it's good for you man na

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  seesthesky

  I M NOT THE E-GUY