Posts by Alleymom

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STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

by TR in

"jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

"....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

Alleymom

Lisa and Thinker:

Thanks, both of those sites are great resources!

Marjorie

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12/15/2001 WT; Christmas ok if married to non-JW?

by Alleymom in

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friends

i was wondering if someone has the full text of the article on p.28 of the 12/15/2001 wt, in the questions from readers?.

i understand that there is an article which appears, to some, to indicate a softening of attitude regarding christmas.

i'm told that it is now ok for a jw wife married to a non-jw husband to participate in some family christmas activities as long as she doesn't regard this as an act of worship.. i would really like to have a copy of the exact wording.. many thanks!.

Alleymom

I've been corresponding with a Witness who claims that the primary reason JW's do not celebrate Christmas is because of the pagan origins, etc.

I told him that it seems to me that the PRIMARY reason modern JW's do not celebrate Christmas is because the GB has flip flopped on the issue.

After all, they USED to celebrate Christmas, and it's not as if Russell and the Bible students were acting in ignorance and then all of the sudden they got "new light" and found out about all the supposed pagan associations.

At the time Russell and the others were cheerfully exchanging gifts and celebrating Christmas, there were thousands of 19th century evangelical Christians, especially those of Puritan descent, who refused to celebrate Christmas. I have collections of Spurgeon's sermons, including a volume of Christmas sermons, and it's very interesting that, although he preached sermons on the topic of our Lord's nativity, he rejected the idea of celebrating the "mass" of Christ. Even earlier, in this country, Christmas was frowned upon for many years. The Boston public schools were even open on Christmas Day for some years (what a bummer for those kids, hunh?)

Anyway, the reason I wanted the 12/15 article was because I had heard about it, and some people seem to think it indicates a softening of attitude.

If, in the future, further allowances are made for the exercise of Christian conscience and freedom, it seems to me that it will be a return to Russell's attitude concerning Christmas.

Marjorie

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12/15/2001 WT; Christmas ok if married to non-JW?

by Alleymom in

jw
friends

i was wondering if someone has the full text of the article on p.28 of the 12/15/2001 wt, in the questions from readers?.

i understand that there is an article which appears, to some, to indicate a softening of attitude regarding christmas.

i'm told that it is now ok for a jw wife married to a non-jw husband to participate in some family christmas activities as long as she doesn't regard this as an act of worship.. i would really like to have a copy of the exact wording.. many thanks!.

Alleymom

Xena --

>>> all I would have had to do was blame Tim...that man you gave me made me do it!!!!! <<<<<

LOL!

Thanks to you and the others who responded to my request. The board here is threaded differently than the Compuserve forums I am used to, so I am not sure if the protocol is that I answer each one separately.

Marjorie

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12/15/2001 WT; Christmas ok if married to non-JW?

by Alleymom in

jw
friends

i was wondering if someone has the full text of the article on p.28 of the 12/15/2001 wt, in the questions from readers?.

i understand that there is an article which appears, to some, to indicate a softening of attitude regarding christmas.

i'm told that it is now ok for a jw wife married to a non-jw husband to participate in some family christmas activities as long as she doesn't regard this as an act of worship.. i would really like to have a copy of the exact wording.. many thanks!.

Alleymom

Outnfree ---

Thanks so much for the full text .... your annotated version is hilarious!

I was very interested in the "proof texts" given in the article. I note that they didn't include the story of Naaman and Elisha from 2 Kings 5.

Do you remember the part where, after Naaman is healed of leprosy, he asks Elisha if it's ok if he continues to bow down in the temple of Rimmon because his master, who is leaning on his arm, bows down and he has to bow down, too? And Elisha says, go in peace.

Maybe next year the JW wife whose non-JW husband walks with a cane can go to midnight Christmas mass with him because he has to lean on her arm. Maybe she can even hold the candle for him when they sing "Silent night" <g>.

Thanks again for typing in the text of the article for me!
Marjorie

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12/15/2001 WT; Christmas ok if married to non-JW?

by Alleymom in

jw
friends

i was wondering if someone has the full text of the article on p.28 of the 12/15/2001 wt, in the questions from readers?.

i understand that there is an article which appears, to some, to indicate a softening of attitude regarding christmas.

i'm told that it is now ok for a jw wife married to a non-jw husband to participate in some family christmas activities as long as she doesn't regard this as an act of worship.. i would really like to have a copy of the exact wording.. many thanks!.

Alleymom

Hi --

I was wondering if someone has the full text of the article on p.28 of the 12/15/2001 WT, in the Questions from Readers?

I understand that there is an article which appears, to some, to indicate a softening of attitude regarding Christmas. I'm told that it is now ok for a JW wife married to a non-JW husband to participate in some family Christmas activities as long as she doesn't regard this as an act of worship.

I would really like to have a copy of the exact wording.

Many thanks!
Marjorie

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Top Secret Forms WTBTS/ "jehovah's witness...

by sf in

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< http://www.jehovahsnation.org/.

you'll need to scroll to said title of this post, within paul's site.

skally

Alleymom

Thank you VERY much for the link to http://www.jehovahsnation.org/ !
It just happens to contain some information I've been looking for for quite awhile.

The 3rd edition of Gentile Times Reconsidered omits a lot of the information about Robert Newton's Crime of Claudius Ptolemy. The site you referenced contains that information (from the 1st and 2nd editions) that is missing from the 3rd.

What an unexpected surprise!
Thanks again,
Marjorie

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League of and United Nations Prophetic Speculation

by sf in

< http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/un.htm.

the league of nations and the united nations in prophetic speculation .

"and many false prophets shall arise, .

Alleymom

Thank you for an incredibly well-researched and documented article!

It has always puzzled me that Witnesses at my door seemed to automatically assume that I and other Christians support the UN and put our trust in it, when, in fact, I have never met another Bible-believing Christian who thinks much of the UN!

I really appreciate having documentation showing that such well-known Christians as Torrey, Vine, and Scofield published articles against the UN BEFORE the Watchtower did.

Thanks!

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

Alleymom

Here is the text of the article from The Guardian:

‘Hypocrite’ Jehovah’s Witnesses abandon secret link with UN

Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
Guardian
Monday October 15, 2001

The Jehovah’s Witnesses have hurriedly disaffiliated from the United Nations within days of a Guardian story in which
members accused the sect of hypocrisy for supporting an organisation it has repeatedly denounced privately.
After the article last Monday, the organisation’s New York based hierarchy pre-empted a UN inquiry by agreeing to
dissociate the Witnesses from an organisation which it holds to be the scarlet beast named in the Book of Revelation.

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, as the sect is formally known, has 6m members
worldwide and 130,000 in Britain. It had been secretly affiliated to the UN as a non-governmental organisation
for 10 years.

Recognised organisations are supposed to demonstrate that they share the UN’s objectives, but Witnesses are instead told by elders to regard it as “a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people” for allegedly aspiring to world domination like Babylon the Great, the beast in Revelation.

The sect does not believe in participating in government and initially strove to play down or deny the evidence of the UN’s website, which lists it as one of 1,500 affiliated NGOs.

Those bringing the evidence to light were accused of apostacy. Disaffiliated members become known informally, like
the rest of humanity, as “bird seed” in line with biblical prophesy of the fate of non-believers, whose corpses will be
pecked bare by crows.

Within hours of the article’s appearance on the Guardian website on Monday and its posting on a Jehovah’s Witnesses
bulletin board, more than 14,000 people across the world had read it. By yesterday there were 353 official posts and 325 message boards discussing the article and its revelations, with Witnesses in the US demanding to see copies of the paper.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4277197,00.html

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

Alleymom

Hi --

I am new to this board and have been following the UN news with great interest.

Here is another article from the Guardian by Stephen Bates from Monday, October 15. The title is 'Hypocrite' Jehovah's Witnesses abandon secret link with UN.

If someone has already posted this, my apologies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4277197,00.html

"alleymom"