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Alleymom
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Special Vigil/Thanksgiving for Dansk--1 year
by under74 inthanks marjorie!
for anyone uncertain about what this thread is about .
click here.
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This is about out beloved Dansk
by mouthy inhow sorry i was to hear from dansk-he is going through a very difficult time.. i would like all prayers, thoughts, please keep this in mind ____ for me!!!!.
the sad news he has cancer.it is lymphoma!!!
they are waiting on the results of the biopsy before determining treatment..... he didnt want me to say anything at first- as he feels you all have your own problems & he didnt want to upset anyone-because he says "they are dear friends".
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Alleymom
Gracie: LETS!!!!!
Ok. Ian -- It's now been a year since Gracie started this thread with the news of your diagnosis. So if it's ok with you, this week we'd like your vigil to include a time of special thanksgiving for the journey of the past year, with prayers for the road still ahead. And I know you'd like us all to focus on your stomach pain. Is there anything else special you'd like us to remember? Marjorie
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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?
by Little Bo Peep inhello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
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Alleymom
lol....Majorie, You are a gem.
Well, Scholar himself said that my husband is a lucky man!
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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?
by Little Bo Peep inhello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
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Alleymom
On the previous page, Narkissos gave a link to a review of
ODED LIPSCHITS and JOSEPH BLENKINSOPP (eds.), Judah and the Judeans in the Neo-Babylonian Period (Winona Lake, IN: Eisenbrauns, 2003). Pp. xii + 612. $49.50.
and Leolaia cited additional articles by Lipschits and Blenkinsopp.
I'd just like to mention that Neil ("Scholar") owns this book and has cited it in the past. However I do not believe he ever discussed any of the material covered in the first 93 pages of this 612-page book. Part I is called "The Myth of the Empty Land Revisited" and the four long articles by Barstad, Fried, Oded, and Japhet contain scores of bibliographic references. I own the book, and I just counted the references in the first article --- there were 72 entries in the bibliography at the end of the first article alone.
Neil, since you are the one who first recommended this book, would you consider giving an in-depth analysis of the positions taken by the scholars in this book?
If you disagree with Barstad, for instance, could you tell us what your points of disagreement are and what the grounds are for your rejection of his position?
(We already know that not one of the scholars referenced in this 612-page book agrees with the Society's date of 607 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem.)
Marjorie
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This is about out beloved Dansk
by mouthy inhow sorry i was to hear from dansk-he is going through a very difficult time.. i would like all prayers, thoughts, please keep this in mind ____ for me!!!!.
the sad news he has cancer.it is lymphoma!!!
they are waiting on the results of the biopsy before determining treatment..... he didnt want me to say anything at first- as he feels you all have your own problems & he didnt want to upset anyone-because he says "they are dear friends".
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Alleymom
Ian wrote:
It's been a difficult year, but also one of incredible soul-searching. A special journey that has brought many blessings in spite of the pain and maladies.A suggestion to the board ---
Let's make this week's vigil a special one of thanksgiving for the journey of the past year, with extra prayers for the road still ahead.
Marjorie
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This is about out beloved Dansk
by mouthy inhow sorry i was to hear from dansk-he is going through a very difficult time.. i would like all prayers, thoughts, please keep this in mind ____ for me!!!!.
the sad news he has cancer.it is lymphoma!!!
they are waiting on the results of the biopsy before determining treatment..... he didnt want me to say anything at first- as he feels you all have your own problems & he didnt want to upset anyone-because he says "they are dear friends".
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Alleymom
Brenda ---
How about a nice graphic for this thread?
(I tried to paste in the heart you made for Ian last week, but the formatting was lost.)
Ian ---
Are you relaxing in your new conservatory? What kinds of things are blooming in your garden right now?
Marjorie
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This is about out beloved Dansk
by mouthy inhow sorry i was to hear from dansk-he is going through a very difficult time.. i would like all prayers, thoughts, please keep this in mind ____ for me!!!!.
the sad news he has cancer.it is lymphoma!!!
they are waiting on the results of the biopsy before determining treatment..... he didnt want me to say anything at first- as he feels you all have your own problems & he didnt want to upset anyone-because he says "they are dear friends".
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Alleymom
Gracie started this thread a year ago today, on May 28, 2004.
Ian and Claire ---Thank you for sharing your life with us in the past year. I, like so many others here, have been blessed and humbled by your courage and honesty.
We love you!
Marjorie
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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?
by Little Bo Peep inhello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
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Alleymom
Response to Alan's message #4106
Alan --
Often the Society does not directly lie (for even Watchtower writers have a semblance of conscience about flat-out lies) but phrases its claims in a way that is difficult to show contains a direct lie, but is clearly designed to lead a reader to a wrong conclusion (scholar pretendus' comments on the Biblica article are a good example of this).
Such dishonesty is well recognized in the legal arena.
A legal treatise called "Prosser and Keeton on Torts" (Robert F. Keeton et. al., Section 106, 5th ed. 1984) explains that the majority of courts hold that "misrepresentation" occurs when the following situations apply:
1) Ambiguous statements are made with the intent that the listener reach a false conclusion.
2) Literally true statements are made that create a false impression.Here is another perfect example. Consider the Society's misleading statement:
"So, too, for Neriglissar, said to be the successor of Evil-merodach, only one strictly historical tablet has come to light, and it is dated in his third year as king."
The word "strictly" signals that something fishy is going on. I thoroughly debunked this claim two years ago in the following messages:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/810707/post.ashx#81070716-Jul-03 04:24
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/811858/post.ashx#811858
17-Jul-03 04:34
Here are a few excerpts:
Take the assertion that only one "strictly historical" tablet has come to light. What does the WT mean by that? The average reader would assume they are saying only one tablet, period , has been found for Neriglissar, right?
In fact, that is NOT the case, as can be proven very easily by simply going to a large university library and reading some of the dated tablets which were written during Neriglissar's reign.
The WT is apparently excluding all the tablets which are DATED to Neriglissar's reign, but which refer to other, mundane matters and thus are not strictly "histories". They are, however, most definitely "historical," and it is precisely the thousands of everyday tablets which establish the reigns of the kings beyond doubt. They know that no JW is ever going to browse in a university library in the PJ 3700's - PJ 3800's and read through some of the fascinating cuneiform texts and find this out.Would any honest person have stated there is "only one strictly historical tablet" for Neriglissar without explaining that there are also numerous dated tablets of other genres, and that these do indeed cover the other years of Neriglissar's reign?
This kind of deceit in scholarship is simply appalling.
Marjorie
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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?
by Little Bo Peep inhello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
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Alleymom
Next, I introduced you to the more recent study of the same event as Young and the controversy about 586/587 in the journal article by Avioz in Biblica.
Neil --
As I pointed out to you a few days ago, the article by Avioz has nothing to do with 586 vs. 587. It is about whether the Temple was destroyed on the tenth day of Ab or the seventh day of Ab.
http://www.bsw.org/project/biblica/bibli84.htmlMarjorie
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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?
by Little Bo Peep inhello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
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Alleymom
Alan --
I'm still curious, though. Neil didn't seem to think the NWT had been translated into modern Hebrew, and I couldn't find a list of languages on the site (I was in a hurry). But he did say it had been translated into modern Greek.
Do you know how they have handled the English hybrid "Jehovah" in the modern Greek NT? Have they put it back to "kyrios," since "kyrios" is what the NT manuscripts actually say? Or have they transliterated the artificial word "Jehovah" (which doesn't occur in any of the Greek manuscripts)? If so, it seems more than passing odd that the Modern Greek NWT would then differ so radically from the thousands of extant Koine Greek manuscripts.
Thanks,
Marjorie