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  The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

  by VM44 in

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  could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

  the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

  for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

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  Scholar: My concern for the translation of these documents is well justified and I continue to urge you to carefully evaluate the fact that chronology is based upon methodology and interpretation. Carl Jonsson the principal advocate of the Jonsson hypothesis highlights a similar concern with these materials for in his GTR, 3rd edn, pp.321-332 there is considerable confusion in the interpretation of these documents even though Jonsson claims that these documents provide regnal years for the complete Neo-Babylonian period. It is far wiser to accept the biblical period which proves a twenty year gap with the Babylonian data.

  Neil --

  "Considerable confusion"? Ummm, no. That's simply not so.

  You either misunderstand or misrepresent the case. The issue is that sometimes people make mistakes in copying, in transcribing, or in translating texts. How are these mistakes caught? By other scholars who re-examine the texts.

  Are you familiar with the verb "collate," when used with the meaning "to compare texts critically"?

  When there is a question about how a particular text has been transcribed or translated, the original will be rexamined ("collated") by one or more scholars who will then confirm or correct the reading.

  I have been meaning to post a message about one instance of this in the case of a text from Amel-Marduk's reign for many months now, but have been sidetracked with other matters.

  If you were to do reading and research on the actual texts you would understand the nature of these occasional errors and realize that they in no way cast doubt upon the names and regnal lengths of the neo-Babylonian kings, which have been established by a plethora of documents.

  Jonsson claims that these documents provide regnal years for the complete Neo-Babylonian period

  Neil, these documents DO provide regnal years for the complete neo-Babylonian period. Yours is an uninformed response. You have no knowledge of the documents themselves. This has nothing to do with some "claim" by Jonsson. This is an established fact. Ask any professor in the field.

  Regards,
  Marjorie Alley
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  The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

  the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

  for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

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  Scholar: Firstly, I forgot to mention that Rolf Furuli has sourced the research by C. Wunsch on the Egibi documents as part of Furuli's thesis on Oslo Chronology.

  Neil --

  Do you have a page number?

  I checked Furuli's bibliography and his "List of Authors Quoted," and Dr. Wunsch's name does not appear.

  Marjorie
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  Sending Love and Positive Energy to Outnfree

  by Robdar in

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  please join me tonight in a prayer vigil for outnfree.

  since brenda's chemo is usually on thursdays, i would like to do this every thursday in order to send our energy, love and strength to this wonderful lady while she fights this awful disease.

  please send your good thoughts, positive vibes and prayers tonight starting at 8:00 central (9:00 eastern, 7:00 mountain, 6:00 pacific) to brenda ryan (outnfree's real name) in the detroit, mi metro area.

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  Alleymom

  I am VERY relieved and (I think) pleased to report that the CT scans of abdomen/pelvis and chest did not show any evidence that the cancer has spread.; So the elevated LDH (liver enzymes) levels are still a perplexing mystery, but I'll take it!; Not sure I'm really, truly pleased that the MUGA Scan indicated that my heart is functioning well and therefore we can go ahead with the Adriamycin therapy, because the side effects are nastier, but it is also a frontline drug against the recurrence of breast cancer, so submit I will!

  Hi, Brenda ---

  Good news indeed that the CT scans were negative!

  Let's hope the Adriamycin therapy won't be too rocky! You're a real trooper!

  Hugs!
  Marjorie
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  Sending Love and Positive Energy to Outnfree

  by Robdar in

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  please join me tonight in a prayer vigil for outnfree.

  since brenda's chemo is usually on thursdays, i would like to do this every thursday in order to send our energy, love and strength to this wonderful lady while she fights this awful disease.

  please send your good thoughts, positive vibes and prayers tonight starting at 8:00 central (9:00 eastern, 7:00 mountain, 6:00 pacific) to brenda ryan (outnfree's real name) in the detroit, mi metro area.

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  Brenda ---

  You are in my thoughts and prayers!

  Marjorie
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  The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

  by VM44 in

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  could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

  the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

  for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

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  Alleymom

  Scholar wrote: The present array of Babylonian business documents does indeed seem impressive but celebrated WT scholars have wisely cautioned that such secular material is still subject to interpretation and a methodology relevant to chronological purposes. The secular evidence is indeed falsified by the twenty year gap when compared with biblical chronology so the jury is still out respecting the value of such documents.

  Neil ---

  Thank you for responding, but what I was asking about was this statement you made:

  First of all let us have a competent translation of these documents and see how they relate to current chronology of the Neo- Babylonian period which in any event is subjec to considerable interpretation,

  In the first statement, you were calling for a competent translation of the documents, implying that you did not believe the current translations are accurate. Now you are talking about interpretation and methodology.

  In the past you have always been very dismissive of the cuneiform tablets and have not shown any familiarity with the actual texts. So I was asking you why you thought the current translations are not competent. You are not actually acquainted with the texts or the translators, are you?

  Now you seem to be modifying your initial statement. Are you withdrawing what you said about the translations?

  The translations are accurate --- they have been collated by many Assyriologists over the past 120 years. If a document is dated to day 5, month 4, of the 18th year of king so-and-so and if the cuneiform signs have been read and verified by numerous scholars who are thoroughly competent in Akkadian, then the date of that document is an established fact.

  This has nothing to do with "interpretation" or "methodology." It has to do with bare facts.

  Regards,
  Marjorie
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  The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

  the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

  for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

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  Alleymom

  First of all let us have a competent translation of these documents and see how they relate to current chronology of the Neo- Babylonian period which in any event is subjec to considerable interpretation,

  Neil,

  Which translations of the Egibi documents do you find to be incompetent? Since you know neither Akkadian nor German and have never shown any familiarity in the past with the cuneiform tablets, what are your grounds for criticizing the translations? Do you know anything at all about the various translators who have worked on the Egibi archive over the last 100+ years? Have you read even one review of Dr. Wunsch's critical edition of the Egibi archive?

  I rather doubt if you even know who Dr. Wunsch is.

  Regards,
  Marjorie
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  B.O.O.B.S.

  by simplesally in

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  outnfree just sent me the book with that title.

  it means "a bunch of outrageous breast-cancer survivors".

  it's a book about women who tell their stories of courage, hope and healing.

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  Alleymom

  Kelly ---

  Thanks so much for posting this. I missed my mammogram this year because I'm still having a lot of neck and arm pain from an accident. But it was on my mind that I should go see my ob-gyn and ask her if there is a way to get around this. After reading your post, I decided I really better do it.

  You and Brenda and Ian are all in my prayers.

  Marjorie
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  Happy 60th Birthday Mulan!

  by Princess in

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  today is the big day!

  mom is in vegas with my dad, oldest brother and his wife.

  she told me she was bringing her laptop so post your birthday greetings below.. .

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  Alleymom

  Happy Birthday, Mulan!

  Marjorie
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  Strike9 image hosting - what happened?

  by Alleymom in

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  does anyone else here use strike9 for image hosting?

  i have used it for a couple of years, but about two weeks ago the server apparently went down and i have not been able to access the site since then.. i've been wondering if it is gone for good, and if so, how i can contact them to get my money back (i subscribe by the year).

  any suggestions?.

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  Alleymom

  They had a salary raise, one more week vacation, and the strike is over...

  I'm bowled over!
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  Strike9 image hosting - what happened?

  by Alleymom in

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  does anyone else here use strike9 for image hosting?

  i have used it for a couple of years, but about two weeks ago the server apparently went down and i have not been able to access the site since then.. i've been wondering if it is gone for good, and if so, how i can contact them to get my money back (i subscribe by the year).

  any suggestions?.

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  Alleymom

  ColdRedRain--

  Thanks! I appreciate all the suggestions for another site.

  However, Murphy's Law has struck again --- now that I've started asking for help, guess what? Strike9 is back up and running again.

  Marjorie