ok ... ok ... um ... what was the question again ... ? ...
alliwannadoislive
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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alliwannadoislive
am sorry i posted this now ... i guess the point is, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and maybe we should be more tolerant of our differences - otherwise, are we any better than the borg ?
i lived through 19 years of the brainwashing - to whatever extent that is considered so - and i feel balanced in my views - i feel i make an expert witness on the effect this cult can have on people - equally i am happy to accept that others may consider me unreliable - i don't mind that ...
hey you guys - kiss and make up huh?
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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alliwannadoislive
i was similarly offended, and like path, i find it hard to just walk away from an organisation that sought to strip me of my individuality, but it hasn't made me an unreasonable and vile tongued lout as kliever seems to suggest
Edited by - alliwannadoislive on 14 June 2002 17:53:15
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Funny Stuff from JW Zone...
by Michael3000 inthis is about a quiz you can take on beliefnet.
notice how close this one was to being a morman!
http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=bad9cddde4cea906fec51e25934974bc&threadid=4824.
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alliwannadoislive
eek ... look what else i found on witness zone ...
scary or what ?
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A Bible study with Moses!!
by roykaye inhi guys.
last sunday we had a visiting speaker.
his subject was the resurrection.
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alliwannadoislive
is michael jackson cool too ?
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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alliwannadoislive
an interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses ...
http://www.neuereligion.de/ENG/Kliever/
CONCLUSIONS
The above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities. While they frankly acknowledge the ways their religious needs and hopes were disappointed, they were able to realize some positive meaning and value from their past experiences. By contrast, there is a much smaller number of apostates who are deeply invested in discrediting if not destroying the religious
communities that once claimed their loyalties. In most cases, these apostates were either forcibly separated from their religious community through the intervention of family members and anti-cult groups, or soon came under the influence of anti-cult groups and literature after their own voluntary defection from a new religious group.There is no denying that these dedicated and diehard opponents of the new religions present a distorted view of the new religions to the public, the academy, and the courts by virtue of their ready
availability and eagerness to testify against their former religious associations and activities. Such apostates always act out of a scenario that vindicates themselves by shifting responsibility for their actions to the religious group. Indeed, the various brainwashing scenarios so often invoked against the new religious movements have been overwhelmingly repudiated by social scientists and religion scholars as nothing more than calculated efforts to discredit the beliefs and
practices of unconventional religions in the eyes of governmental agencies and public opinion. Such apostates can hardly be regarded as reliable informants by responsible journalists, scholars, or jurists. Even the accounts of voluntary defectors with no grudges to bear must be used with caution since they interpret their past religious experience in the light of present efforts to re-establish their own self-identity and self-esteem.In short, on the face of things, apostates from new religions do not meet the standards of personal objectivity, professional competence, and informed understanding required of expert witnesses.
Lonnie D. Kliever
Dallas, Texas
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Name some must have rock records
by Leander ini've spent a lot of time on allmusic.com and it amazes me how much nirvana is mentioned when the reviewers rate other albums.
so its a no brainer that nirvana's work should probably have a place in every rock collection, but what are some other albums every rock fan should listen to if not own.
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alliwannadoislive
eek it's scary when people get into lyric typing mode ...
ok - the new Korn album, untouchables, is amazing ... however ... my most favourite rock album of all time is
Korn - 'Follow the Leader'
also i love:
- hed(PE) - broke
- system of a down - toxicity
- pitchshifter - infotainment?
these albums are constantly in my cd player ... x
Edited by - alliwannadoislive on 14 June 2002 15:23:35
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Hey All You Royalists!
by Englishman init's a big day for brits tomorrow.
it's an even bigger day for english brits.
show your support by clicking on this link and waggling the cursor around.. http://therapids.net/jojo/ukflag.htm.
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alliwannadoislive
heeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeee i wonder how many jw's will be at the kh's tomorrow morning ?
dunno 'bout y'all but i'll settle for 8-0 ... if it's good enough for the germans ...
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Watchtower dissolves congregations?
by TheStar ini have heard this from jws many times.
they say that when the whole congregation is corrupt it is clearly noticable that jehovah's spirit is not with them.
eventually if the whole congregation is corrupt the gb dissolves the whole congregation.. jws say this as if it were from personal experience.
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alliwannadoislive
hey ! i was told this happened a good few years ago with the cosham, portsmouth, uk, congregation - it had a 'bad spirit' and was dissolved ... eman would know ... over to you sir ...
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Just got this email from Dateline
by dmouse indateline nbc.
tonight on dateline tuesday:.
their church was their whole world.
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alliwannadoislive
so is this gonna be shown in the uk ??