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  US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction

  by WhyNow2000 in

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  the bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.

  it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .

  http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.

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  toreador

  well said, Amazing.
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  Which Bible Translation is Currently the MOST Accurate in Your Opinion?

  by Frannie Banannie in

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  i really wanna know.

  i need the most accurate version to refer to in order to continue a project i'm working on.

  frannie b

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  I appreciate your comments too Scholar.

  Simwitness wrote,

  Just because the committee and the WTBS wish to remain anonymous, does not mean that it is possible for them to remain so. If someone "in the know" chooses to disclose the information, they can. It is up to the committee/WTBS to confirm or deny that information... If the WTBS were to deny it's validity, that is one thing. To the best of my knowledge, they have not... they prefer to call it "rumors and gossip", thereby attempting to discredit the source without dealing with the actual information.

  Yes, they attempt to evade the question and make it kind of mysterious.

  We have a list of names from Ray Franz of the committee members. It is up to the individual to decide if the source of those names is trustworthy.

  What would Ray have to gain by publishing a list of incorrect names? If they were wrong, his credibility suffers. If they are correct, what true difference does it make? After all, The WTBS, and scholar, maintain that the committee was "under the direction of the holy spirit" and would not dare to question the validity of the work itself.

  Thats pretty much what I thought too. If he blatantly lied about this he would most assuredly lose respect.

  The question then becomes what does the society have to gain from keeping the committee anonymous? Since there are questions as to the validity of certain passages in the NWT, only the translator(s) could properly speak to why they chose one form over another. Since the WTBS wants them to be "anonymous" they attempt to hide that it was men who did the translation and attempt to claim that it was the "holy spirit" or "god" that directed it, and claim that the translation is sound.

  In the end, when one is presented with a claim that is not easily verifiable, it is the credibility of the person making the claim that is used to decide if the claim is valid. Since Ray has nothing to gain and everything to lose by making his claim, his is more credible than scholars "unknown and unknowable" claim. The WTBS has everything to lose and nothing to gain by revealing the committees names. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/KJB-1.swf

  I had always wondered why all the secretiveness about the writers. I know they always said they didnt want any fame or glory, but I think it was all about making it more believable that God was directing them in secret.

  Also if we were to know any individual writers, I think the WTS thought it would be too easy to find personal fault with the individual members and it would lose all its mysteriousness and look more just like the musings of imperfect men.

  Excellent post Simwitness.

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  Don't YOU just LOVE the SNOW?

  by mpatrick in

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  toreador

  Those pictures are awesome!! Thanks for sharing! Snow really is for children..

  You got that right. If it isnt cold enough to make the ice thick enough to fish on it, then I have no use for it.
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  The Biggest Scandal In Your Congregation

  by Hunyadi in

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  i attended a notorious congregation as a child, the infamous winter gardens congregation!

  my cousin and his best friend, both named joe, were elders, my cousin was the po and the other joe was a total loser suck up who wanted to be just like my cousin, joe.

  what was even funnier, as i get off point a bit, is that "suck up" joe's wife, cathy, did everything she could do to get her pudgy lil self to dress, look, walk, and talk like my cousin joe's wife, clementine.

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  toreador

  Thats just plain CRAZY puternut! What is the world coming too (TM)?
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  My favourite article...

  by Bofug in

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  i love this article!

  in 1910 russell wrote, "if anyone lays the scripture studies aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years?if he lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood the bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.

  on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he will be in the light at the end of two years .

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  I had no idea the Catholics were interested in writing articles about the JW beliefs.

  Interesting.
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  How to change 1914

  by Bendrr in

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  chances are this post will find it's way to the eyes of the spies in brooklyn but what the hell.

  i'm here to help, even if it means sending a crate of ammo to the enemy.. as a rule i stay out of discussions of the empire's doctrinal issues.

  not that i don't read them, i just usually don't have anything to add.

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  Which Bible Translation is Currently the MOST Accurate in Your Opinion?

  by Frannie Banannie in

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  i really wanna know.

  i need the most accurate version to refer to in order to continue a project i'm working on.

  frannie b

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  Is that the general consensus except for Scholar?

  bofug writes""Nathan Knorr, Fred Franz, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, and Milton Henschel were later identified as the men that created the text, which is used by no other sect."
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  This will most likely be my last post. I do hope you read it.

  by azaria in

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  this is in reply to my post jehovahs-witness.com/6/62654/1.ashx (i still believe in god but) my post was read 193 times yet only 11 people responded.

  (i do thank those who did) the post 3,000 already has 9 replies.

  (no im not attacking shamuss post).

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  toreador

  I missed it too, but I miss a lot of posts. Sorry.
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  How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

  by hooberus in

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  many skeptics assert that the bible must be wrong, because they claim that the ark could not possibly have carried all the different types of animals.

  http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/cen_v19n2_animals_ark.asp

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  toreador

  That is an excellent site. I have read a lot of useful info there.
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  What is more important to understand...

  by Siddhashunyata in

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  moral principles, doctrine , prophecy , ourselves ?

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  toreador

  Live for today for tomorrow we may die. It would be nice to have them all understood.