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  A question for Christians, bible thumpers, and heathens.

  by gumby in

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  are we punished for our parents' sins?

  exodus 20:5 "for i the lord thy god am a jealous god, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

  " (repeated in deuteronomy 5:9)

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  Interesting thread!

  I have wondered why God lets the one (Satan) who supposedly caused all the death and suffering on this earth to go on living for thousands of years after his disobedient act to God, whilst billions of humans are dieing like we are nothing more than scum. If God really loved us he would have got rid of the bastard (Satan) a long time ago. Is Satan and his demons suffering with cancer and every concievable sickness and disease (or something similar for spirit creatures) for what he did thousands of years ago. I doubt it. At any rate he lives on for thousands of years while causing billions of deaths of humans and we live a measly 80 years if we are lucky. He at least got to start out perfect and we get to start out imperfect and get to fight against spirits we cant even see. This makes it perfectly right for God to judge us as to whether we may live or die in some unseen and unprovable spirit world.

  It makes absolute perfect sense to me.

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  The Ugly Truth about Jesus 2nd Presence

  by Amazing1914 in

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  as jws we learned the utmost central watchtower doctrine that jesus returned "invisibly" in 1914 (well it was 1874, but then j. f. rutherford decided jesus really, really, really returned at a later date ... this is also known to jws as "jesus second presence" (greek: parousia = english: presence):.

  ref.

  related new thread at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/70098/1.ashx .

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  Thanks for all your efforts Alan! I wonder how you find the time to do all this and still work full time or are you retired?

  Scholar, I am not seeing much effort on your part to prove your point or points. Your posts consist mostly of wanting others to prove theirs, which they have done. I expect you to get busy now and put some meat into your posts, if you have any. Now would be a perfect time for some spiritual food at the proper time.

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  The Ugly Truth about Jesus 2nd Presence

  by Amazing1914 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as jws we learned the utmost central watchtower doctrine that jesus returned "invisibly" in 1914 (well it was 1874, but then j. f. rutherford decided jesus really, really, really returned at a later date ... this is also known to jws as "jesus second presence" (greek: parousia = english: presence):.

  ref.

  related new thread at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/70098/1.ashx .

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  Scholar wrote:

  :Perhaps you should consult DLOTLNT,1997, Vol.3.,pp.856-75 at Moore Theological College Library.

  What the heck is DLOTLNT?

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  eating the emblems AFTER memorial...

  by AuSet in

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  sorry this is a little late for a memorial post, but did any of ya'll eat the emblems like it was just ordinary food immediately after the memorial?

  they always did this at my kh, even the elders would be handing it out and we always would fight over who got a piece of the "bread.

  " this usually occured out in the parking lot after most of the new/interested people had already high tailed it outta there.

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  I had always wondered where the wine went. I thought maybe someone ended up drinking it.

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  Were You One Who "Waited On Jehovah"? ----- What Did It Get You??

  by minimus in

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  a lot of people were told to "just wait on jehovah" were you ever told this??.

  unfortunately, millions of people have died "waiting on jehovah".

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  How bout you Minimus??
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  Were You One Who "Waited On Jehovah"? ----- What Did It Get You??

  by minimus in

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  a lot of people were told to "just wait on jehovah" were you ever told this??.

  unfortunately, millions of people have died "waiting on jehovah".

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  In so many words, yes I was. I got nothing in return and have now come to expect nothing in the future.

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  PICTURE OF JR BROWN THINKING OF GOING AFTER THE NORRIS/LOVE TEAM

  by hawkaw in

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  Damn, that was great!

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  JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

  by 4JWY in

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  jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

  is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

  moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

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  XQ wrote:

  In a free society that most people idealize you are free to do harmful things to adults with their consent, and those adults are free to exhibit harmful behavior within the bounds of the law. So basically you are eroding the freedom you claim the Watchtower denies. You are making people who don?t like each other anymore be friends. I am sorry you feel being a jerk is a crime, but IT IS NOT!

  Alan F how come you can't see that you are advocating babysitting adults? This is no different than making a law that high risk groups must ware condoms during sex.

  I think the problem here is not that people dont like each other anymore and dont want to be friends.. its that people are told not to like someone anymore. In many cases it is blood relatives told by the WTS they cannot remain friends with their kin because they are wicked people for leaving or even questioning the WTS (as in my case), which in most cases is a blatant lie by the WTS to protect themselves from being exposed. They have ulterior motives.

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  JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

  by 4JWY in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

  is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

  moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

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  edited to correct posting in the wrong spot.

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  Lies, all lies!!!

  by LittleToe in

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  i mentioned, in a recent thread, that one booklet in particular helped me shed some misconceptions about the wts.

  it was regarding whether or not they were just misguided, or intentionally deceptive.. the booklet "exposing 'should you believe the trinity'" was what did it for me, solely on the basis of scholastic integrity (not the trinity doctrine, which has been "done to death" on many other threads).. .

  the following site makes similar points, and references said booklet:.

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  toreador

  Smooth! You lucky dog! Why didnt I figure it out a long time ago!

  Toreador