Posts by toreador

i have thought about this myself: if jehovah's creatures are "amazingly designed", why is it that carnivores are obviously amazingly designed to kill other animals and eat their flesh (and blood, oh my!).

how does that fit the idea that all animals were (and will again become) vegetarians in the paradise(tm)?

well, the official resonse is: don't think about it!!!.

toreador

This is an interesting topic. You have to put your mind on eternal hold to questions like these. Hruuuummmppph.

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JWs and voting. Is it okay now?

by NikL in

jw
friends

i know there has been lots of discussion on this issue in the past year but i have been unable to find it.

i need to know where to find the questions from readers that talked about it being okay for people to vote if their concience allows.

i brought this issue up with a couple of people, one a rank and file dub and the other an elder.

toreador

Ambassadors are expected to be neutral and not to interfere in the internal affairs of the countries to which they are sent. As representatives of God?s heavenly Kingdom, Jehovah?s Witnesses feel a similar obligation not to interfere in the politics of the countries where they reside.
A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.
Fourth, Jehovah?s Witnesses greatly value their Christian unity. (Colossians 3:14) When religions get involved in politics, the result is often division among their members. In imitation of Jesus Christ, Jehovah?s Witnesses avoid becoming involved in politics and thus maintain their Christian unity.?Matthew 12:25; John 6:15; 18:36, 37.
Fifth and finally, their keeping out of politics gives Jehovah?s Witnesses freeness of speech to approach people of all political persuasions with the important message of the Kingdom.?Hebrews 10:35.

The above quote from the article states pretty plainly that JWs do not vote.

1.JWs are ambassodors. ambassodors do NOT vote.

2.JWs do not interfere in politics.

3.JWs may become responsible for the party they voted for.

4.Voting would result in division. JWs must maintain Unity. JWs avoid politics.

5.JWs keeping out of politcs gives them freeness of speech to talk to people of all politicial persuasions. If JWs voted this could not happen.

JWs are still not allowed to vote IMO and the CO I talked with, but as was stated by others they do talk with forked tongue and you have to read between the lines.

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JWs and voting. Is it okay now?

by NikL in

jw
friends

i know there has been lots of discussion on this issue in the past year but i have been unable to find it.

i need to know where to find the questions from readers that talked about it being okay for people to vote if their concience allows.

i brought this issue up with a couple of people, one a rank and file dub and the other an elder.

toreador

A little more on voting. A CO told me you could go into the voting booth but you still were not allowed to vote for a party. You could write Jesus Christ on the ballot or not vote at all. Notice the article is couched with words like a JW may "go to the polling booth" and states that several times, but they are very careful to omit the words that actually say the person can "vote for a candidate".

Quote from the article below:

It is here that they are called upon to mark the ballot or write in what they stand for. The voters do what they will with their ballots. So here in the presence of God is where his witnesses must act in harmony with his commandments and in accordance with their faith. It is not our responsibility to instruct them what to do with the ballot."

Notice how carefull they word this. Notice they say "write in what they stand for". This is where the CO said JWs if pressured to vote could write "Jesus" on the ballot or write nothing at all. Notice also they say "witnesses MUST act in HARMONY with HIS commandments in ACCORDANCE with their FAITH. This is where a JW knows he cannot vote and still remain a member of the congregation.

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Voting

by Annanias in

dantheman just turned me onto the thread that was started last jan over the borg's quantum shift in saying that it is now a matter of conscience as to whether a person can vote.

i was really expecting them to say that the mechanism of voting is okay, but they went way, way beyond that.

the subsequent posts on that thread were very insightful (as usual) but no one seemed to approach the concept of faith in this.

toreador

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/64511/2.ashx

I dont know if you seen the above thread that was started just a day or so ago. It has more on it.

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Joy and Steve and all others in the way of Ivan

by blindfool in

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friends

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just wanted to let these great people know that i'm thinking of them and hoping they stay safe.. .

bdf

toreador

It sounds like it is getting downright nasty down there.

How is it now Steve?

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Voting

by Annanias in

dantheman just turned me onto the thread that was started last jan over the borg's quantum shift in saying that it is now a matter of conscience as to whether a person can vote.

i was really expecting them to say that the mechanism of voting is okay, but they went way, way beyond that.

the subsequent posts on that thread were very insightful (as usual) but no one seemed to approach the concept of faith in this.

toreador

The CO mentioned we are to remain separate from the world. If we were ordered to vote we could write Jesus CHrist on the ballot but we were not to vote for anyone running for office . I read the article you mention before I talked to CO and specifically asked him about the article and the above is what he told me.

They speak from both sides of their mouth. I would have your mom ask an elder about and see what he says. I think the elders got some word of mouth communication about the article that is not in print for rank and file.

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Do yall like KFC?

by Frannie Banannie in

http://www.kfccruelty.com/

you gotta see the video!

frannie b

toreador

There were a number of videos on that page is this the one in particular.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/getvideo.asp?video=mym2002