Posts by Hunyadi

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Anyone know where I can find the thread with spoof WT & Awake cover art?

by badwillie in

you know..like the one...."how to wipe your ass" with a picture of toilet paper on the front cover of a wt.

anyone remember those pics that were going around a while back?

Anyone know where I can find the thread with spoof WT & Awake cover art?

by badwillie in

you know..like the one...."how to wipe your ass" with a picture of toilet paper on the front cover of a wt.

anyone remember those pics that were going around a while back?

Should obesity be a DF offense?

by jws in

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a headline on today's usa today says that obesity is the #1 killer.

if being fat is such a health risk (like cigarettes), why don't the jws disfellowship people for being obese?.

i know in some cases, people gain weight due to medical problems that are hard to control.

If you are fat, and it is not for health or medical reason, then it can most likely be said that you lack self-control. Yes, according to the WT standards, those who fail to exercise self-control should be disciplined. Repeat offenders get DF'd. The kicker is that the GB seems to overlook one form of excessiveness in favor of DF-ing for another form.

Corvin

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Is there a collection of all these creatively re-titled Watchtower covers?

by somebodylovesme in

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i showed my husband one that's in my topic (in adult & heated debate) and he laughed sooooo hard.

he was wondering if there are more posted anywhere.

i don't even know how to search for that on the site.

Hunyadi

Yes, indeed, it is this April 1st, 2004 Watchtower cover. The caption has been changed to protect the insolent.

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Is there a collection of all these creatively re-titled Watchtower covers?

by somebodylovesme in

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friends

i showed my husband one that's in my topic (in adult & heated debate) and he laughed sooooo hard.

he was wondering if there are more posted anywhere.

i don't even know how to search for that on the site.

Hunyadi

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Ever Come Face To Face With An Apostate???

by Hunyadi in

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wow, i remember when i was 19, newly married with my first kid, and was very zealous for the work of the wt.

i was working in a building supplies store when in walks a fella by the name of peter barnes!

omg it was him!

Hunyadi

Why not write or call him letting him know?:

Thanks sf. I tried calling but the number is a disconnect. I emailed him.

Corvin

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The WTBTS Fulfills Obligation To UN

by Hunyadi in

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as we have all read, when the wtbts joined the un as a ngo, they agreed to "share the ideals of the un charter" and rediisseminate "information in order to increase public understanding of the pricipals, activities and acheivements of the united nations".

the article below is the wtbts's way of showing their support and respect of the principles of the charter of the united nations and their commitment and means to conduct effective informations programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about un activities.

this article was published for that purpose, and millions of jw's unwittingly read and distributed this issue not having a clue what they were doing for the wtbts and the un itself.. to fulfill this obligation to the un, the wtbts published the following ariticle in the november 22, 1998 awake!

Hunyadi

As we have all read, when the WTBTS joined the UN as a NGO, they agreed to "share the ideals of the UN Charter" and rediisseminate "information in order to increase public understanding of the pricipals, activities and acheivements of the United Nations". The article below is the WTBTS's way of showing their support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their commitment and means to conduct effective informations programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities. This article was published for that purpose, and millions of JW's unwittingly read and distributed this issue not having a clue what they were doing for the WTBTS and the UN itself.

To fulfill this obligation to the UN, the WTBTS published the following ariticle in the November 22, 1998 AWAKE! magazine.

http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm

You may read a discussion about this on Randy?s site: http://www.randytv.com/secret/index.htm

But this is the article in its entirety . . . and notice that this article does not include the WTBTS's usual denouncing of the UN or its purposes, but merely asks an open ended rhetorical question in conclusion.

A
"Long Job Finished"
FIFTY years ago, a grandmotherly-looking woman spoke up, and the world listened. It happened in Paris on December 10, 1948. The United Nations General Assembly was gathered in the recently built Palais Chaillot when the chairwoman of the UN Commission on Human Rights rose to give a speech. In a firm voice, Eleanor Roosevelt, the tall widow of former U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, told those assembled: "We stand today at the threshold of a great event both in the life of the United Nations and in the life of mankind, that is the approval by the General Assembly of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."
After she read the ringing phrases of the Declaration?s preamble and its 30 articles, the General Assembly adopted the document. Then, to honor Mrs. Roosevelt?s exceptional leadership, the UN members gave "the First Lady of the World," as she was affectionately known, a standing ovation. At the end of that day, she jotted down: "Long job finished."
From
Many Opinions to One Declaration
Two years earlier, in January 1947, soon after the UN commission?s work had begun, it became clear that writing a human rights document agreeable to all UN members would be a formidable task. From the start, deep disagreement mired the 18-member commission in endless disputes. The Chinese delegate felt that the document should include the philosophy of Confucius, a Catholic commission member promoted the teachings of Thomas Aquinas, the United States championed the American Bill of Rights, and the Soviets wanted to include the ideas of Karl Marx?and these were just a few of the strong opinions expressed!
The commission members? ongoing bickering tried Mrs. Roosevelt?s patience. In 1948, during a lecture in Paris at the Sorbonne, she mentioned that she used to think that raising her large family had tested the limits of her patience. However, "presiding over the Commission on Human Rights required even more forbearance," she reportedly said, to the delight of her audience.
Even so, her experience as a mother evidently proved useful. At the time, one reporter wrote that Mrs. Roosevelt?s handling of the commission members reminded him of a mother "presiding over a large family of often noisy, sometimes unruly but basically good-hearted boys, who now and then need firmly to be put in their places." (Eleanor Roosevelt?A Personal and Public Life) By adding graciousness to firmness, though, she was able to win points without making enemies of her opponents.
As a result, after two years of meetings, hundreds of amendments, thousands of statements, and 1,400 rounds of voting on practically every word and every clause, the commission did produce a document listing the human rights to which it believed all men and women, everywhere in the world, are entitled. It was named the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Thus was accomplished a mission that, at times, seemed impossible.
High
Expectations
Of course, it was not expected that the walls of oppression would crumble at the sound of this first horn. Yet, the adoption of the Universal Declaration did cause high expectations. The UN General Assembly?s president at the time, Dr. Herbert V. Evatt of Australia, predicted that "millions of men, women, and children all over the world, many miles from Paris and New York, will turn for help, guidance, and inspiration to this document."
Fifty years have elapsed since Dr. Evatt spoke those words. During that time, many have indeed looked to the Declaration as a guide and used it as a yardstick to measure the degree of respect for human rights around the world. As they did so, what did they find? Are the UN member states measuring up to this yardstick? What is the situation of human rights in the world today?
[Footnote]
Forty-eight countries voted in favor, none against. Today, however, all 185 UN member nations, including those that abstained in 1948, have endorsed the Declaration.

What
Are Human Rights?
The United Nations defines human rights as "those rights which are inherent in our nature and without which we cannot live as human beings." Human rights have also been described as the "common language of humanity"?and fittingly so. Just as the ability to learn to speak a language is an inborn quality that makes us human, there are other inborn needs and qualities that set us apart from other creatures on earth. For instance, humans have a need for knowledge, artistic expression, and spirituality. A human who is deprived of filling these basic needs is forced to live a subhuman existence. To protect humans against such deprivation, explains a human rights lawyer, "we use the term ?human rights? instead of ?human needs? because legally speaking the word ?need? is not as strong as the word ?right.? By calling it a ?right? we elevate the satisfying of human needs to something every human being is morally as well as legally entitled to."
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The
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Writer and Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn called the Universal Declaration the "best document" ever written by the UN. A glance at its contents shows why many agree.
The Declaration?s basic philosophy is laid down in Article 1: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."
On this foundation, the framers of the Declaration secured two groups of human rights. The first group is outlined in Article 3: "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person." This article forms the basis for man?s civil and political rights listed in Articles 4 to 21. The second group is based on Article 22, which states, in part, that everyone is entitled to the realization of the rights "indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality." It supports Articles 23 to 27, which spell out man?s economic, social, and cultural rights. The Universal Declaration was the first international document to recognize this second group of rights as being included in basic human rights. It was also the first international document to use the term "human rights" at all.
Brazilian sociologist Ruth Rocha explains in plain language what the Universal Declaration tells us: "It doesn?t matter what race you are. It doesn?t matter whether you?re a man or a woman. It doesn?t matter what language you speak, what your religion is, what your political opinions are, what country you come from or who your family is. It doesn?t matter whether you?re rich or poor. It doesn?t matter what part of the world you come from; whether your country is a kingdom or a republic. These rights and freedoms are meant to be enjoyed by everyone."
Since its adoption, the Universal Declaration has been translated into over 200 languages and has become part of the constitutions of many countries. Today, however, some leaders feel that the Declaration needs to be rewritten. But UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan disagrees. One UN official quotes him as saying: "Just as there is no need to rewrite the Bible or the Koran, there is no need to adjust the Declaration. What needs to be adjusted is, not the text of the Universal Declaration, but the behavior of its disciples."
UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan
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UN/DPI photo by Evan Schneider (Feb97)

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LETTER TO UN'S DEPUTY SEC-GENERAL FINALIZED

by hawkaw in

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please feel free to scroll down to scully's post to see a copy of the letter for you to copy and paste and use click here or please re-look at the first post of this thread for those interested:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/17/68071/1.ashx.

please note this above noted link will be up and running shortly by at least 9:15 est march 12, 2004. there was a problem with the msword file last night and to protect people, things had to be adjust and of course i was not around.

Hunyadi

Yay! I am mailing out mine today. Thanks for the hard work in drafting a well-written letter.

Corvin

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Ever Come Face To Face With An Apostate???

by Hunyadi in

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wow, i remember when i was 19, newly married with my first kid, and was very zealous for the work of the wt.

i was working in a building supplies store when in walks a fella by the name of peter barnes!

omg it was him!

Hunyadi

Wow, I remember when I was 19, newly married with my first kid, and was very zealous for the work of the WT. I was working in a building supplies store when in walks a fella by the name of Peter Barnes! OMG it was HIM! The scariest, most evil apostate known to mankind! My first encounter with him was at district convention when I was 9, and I recognized that english accent as soon as he opened his mouth. He was "The Old Genteman" personified, and I could see the demons just oozing out of his pours and I knew if we made eye contact I would turn to stone!

When he approached me for help to find some hardware, I did not help him but instead walked away like the scared, self-righteous little JW that I was.

I regret being that way to him, and if he is still around, I send out my sincere apologies to him for my rudeness. Sorry Peter. I am better now.

Corvin

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COMING OUT PARANOIA?

by ese in

hi - all these posts re "coming out" seem kind of paranoid or,what's the word or phrase, like delusions of grandeur, i mean no offense with this but it just seems like few jws would care who you are - at least now they wouldn't care if you done left already - am i missing something?

Hunyadi

ese,

I now have custody of my three daughters who were raised in the WTBTS org. Their mother and stepfather abused them spiritually, physically, mentally and emotionally, and inflict great pain and guilt upon them for so much as sighing over having to go to a JW meeting. They have told my children that I was a bad person and that I was going to be destroyed by Jehovah.

One of the things I had to consider when coming out was how much persecution my precious children would receive from their mother and stepfather and from the socalled "friends" and elders in the congregation. They will be telling these innocent children their father is an evil apostate and other such terrible things. SOMETIMES WE MUST WITHOLD THE TRUTH FROM THOSE WHO CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH, FOR IT IS AN EXPRESSION OF LOVE AND WISDOM.

I have chosen to come out now only because I have brought my children to a place where they are stronger and can handle the crap some will be heaping upon them. I have shown them enough real "truth" about the "truth" in order for them to rebuff the JW persecution. They now have enough knowledge to say to the JW's, "you are a bunch of liars and you are going to leave me alone now".