Posts by loveis

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New Case: good for WBTS

by La Capra in

in reviewing the "new news" out of the courts this morning, i came across this case: doe v. corp. of president of church of jesus christ of latter day saints: 2004 wl 1846365 utah app.,2004.

aug. 19, 2004. the church won, the basic premise was that the church owed no duty to the children to warn of a "high priest's" past sexual abuse activities.

"church did not have special relationship with church "high priest" giving rise to duty to warn of his alleged sexual abuse; "high priest" was not church agent, employee, or member of clergy, and abuse did not occur on church property or during church-sponsored activity.".

loveis

We lawyer wannabes can read the full text of the decision here:

http://www.utcourts.gov/opinions/appopin/doe081904.htm

What La Capra said is absolutely true, especially since, when you read down, you will find that the court refers to two actual WBTS cases (which regulars here know well) as established case law: The Heidi Meyer case from Minnesota, whose dismissal was upheld in March of this year, and the Bryan Rees case from the Maine Supreme Court (decided in October 1999).

Very significant that these cases were referred to as relevant to the issues, even though neither happened in the Utah courts. And obviously will make the established precedent of this case even better and more useful for the WTS in its defenses.

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New Case: good for WBTS

by La Capra in

in reviewing the "new news" out of the courts this morning, i came across this case: doe v. corp. of president of church of jesus christ of latter day saints: 2004 wl 1846365 utah app.,2004.

aug. 19, 2004. the church won, the basic premise was that the church owed no duty to the children to warn of a "high priest's" past sexual abuse activities.

"church did not have special relationship with church "high priest" giving rise to duty to warn of his alleged sexual abuse; "high priest" was not church agent, employee, or member of clergy, and abuse did not occur on church property or during church-sponsored activity.".

loveis

We lawyer wannabes can read the full text of the decision here:

http://www.utcourts.gov/opinions/appopin/doe081904.htm

What La Capra said is absolutely true, especially since, when you read down, you will find that the court refers to two actual WBTS cases (which regulars here know well) as established case law: The Heidi Meyer case from Minnesota, whose dismissal was upheld in March of this year, and the Bryan Rees case from the Maine Supreme Court (decided in October 1999).

Very significant that these cases were referred to as relevant to the issues, even though neither happened in the Utah courts. And obviously will make the established precedent of this case even better and more useful for the WTS in its defenses.

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Does the WTS print their URL on their literature?

by JH in

jw
friends

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we all know that the wts has a web site at http://www.watchtower.org but i was wondering if we find this on the awake and watchtower magazines, or on any other litereature that they produce?

i ask this because we all know that they don't want to encourage too many witnesses to go surfing on the net looking at religious information out there, but they do want to have a web site to attract worldly people.

loveis

Yes.

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Celebrating Birthdays--Disfellowshipping Offense--Where stated in WT pubs?

by blondie in

blondis is asking for help.

where does it state that if a jw celebrates a brithday that it is a disfellowshipping offense.

i have searched and searched.

loveis

From what I heard, a CO instructing a pio school specifically said it was NOT a DF offense.

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Honest mistakes? The Governing Body's excuses for their actions

by Terry in

jw
friends

the governing body tells us they are not false prophets because they admit their mistakes.. they only err because they are zealous to see the new order commence.. they are on the watch and warning everybody just like they are supposed to.. their doctrines change (new light) because they see and admit their errors.. what more can we expect of them?.

is the governing body honestly doing the best they can?

they are only human; how can we expect them to be perfect?.

loveis

I wonder if any of the authors they misquoted has ever sued them or at least crtiticised them.

Well, there was this case back in 1988 when "From Our Readers" in Awake acknowledged a letter from a ticked off Professor who said he was misquoted.

It began with this paragraph:

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g87 4/8 p. 22 Speaking in Tongues?Is It From God? ***

Dr. Vinson Synan of the Pentecostal Holiness Church stressed the dilemma sincere worshipers face concerning the role of speaking in tongues. He said: "Speaking in tongues is an embarrassment to us." Why? Dr. Synan noted that tongues today may not seem to make sense to us. "Embarrassing as it may be," he continued, "glossolalia [speaking in tongues] is the gift that God has chosen at strategic points in history to expand and renew the Church."?Italics ours.

Then Dr. Synan protested how he was portrayed, and the WTS acknowledged it and apologized:

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g88 2/8 p. 28 From Our Readers ***

I have received copies of your article where I was grossly misquoted. (April 8, 1987, "Speaking in Tongues?Is It From God?") You misconstrued my words to make it appear that I am embarrassed by speaking in tongues, when that is definitely not the case. In truth I was quoting C. S. Lewis, who said that tongues were an embarrassment. Then I proceeded to tell the mighty importance of tongues in church history, i.e. why it should not be an embarrassment to the church. . . . This misquotation actually makes it seem that I oppose tongues, which I certainly do not.

Vinson Synan, United States

We

regret that we inadvertently attributed the statement of C. S. Lewis, "Speaking in tongues is an embarrassment to us," to Vinson Synan. However, we correctly quoted Dr. Synan?s statement appearing in the publication "One in Christ": "Embarrassing as it may be, glossolalia is the gift that God has chosen at strategic points in history to expand and renew the Church." We did not quote Dr. Synan to indicate that he was opposed to speaking in tongues but to show that he acknowledged that the matter of speaking in tongues could be a dilemma for some sincere worshipers today. In that article Dr. Synan indicated a possible dilemma for some: "I agree with Larry Christenson who stated . . . ?God has sovereignly chosen to use the gift of tongues as a catalyst for renewal . . . it may not make sense to our own reason . . . but he comes knocking where he chooses . . . ?" We hope that this clarifies Dr. Synan?s position with regard to speaking in tongues, which differs from ours.?ED.

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Should the WTS be paying minimum wage & taxes for full-time volunteers?

by Deleted in

hey y'all.

the thread (via free minds) on "the real truth facing aging witnesses" has me back on one of my old topics.

namely, that full-time sales people, administrative and factory workers of a religious publishing company must be provided for when they retire - and i believe they should be paid minimum wage to boot!

loveis

Actually, another government of the world already tried it, but to no avail:

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yb97 pp. 15-16 Jehovah?s Witnesses?1997 Yearbook Report ***

An unusual six-year legal fight came to a positive conclusion in Brazil during this service year. In November 1990, Brazil?s National Institute of Social Insurance notified the Society?s branch office that henceforth the 853 (now 1,150) members of the Bethel family there would not be viewed as religious ministers and so would come under the country?s labor laws. A long legal battle began. Happily, on June 7, 1996, the Judicial Advisory of the Office of the Attorney General in Brasília issued a decision upholding the position of members of the Bethel family as religious ministers working as full-time volunteers.

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w98 12/1 pp. 21-22 Legally Protecting the Good News ***

Brazil.

In November 1990, Brazil?s National Institute of Social Security (INSS) notified the branch office of the Watch Tower Society that volunteer ministers at Bethel (the name of branch facilities of Jehovah?s Witnesses) would no longer be viewed as religious ministers and would therefore come under Brazil?s labor laws. The Witnesses appealed the decision. On June 7, 1996, the Judicial Advisory of the Office of the Attorney General in Brasília issued a decision upholding the position of ministers at Bethel as members of a legitimate religious order, not as secular employees.

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Quality Inn Suites, Noblesville Indiana

by Rosco in

staying here on an over night business trip.

opened my drawer nwt bible i fell out of my bed.

called the front desk they are in every room here.. i will never stay at another quality inn even though they are owned individually.

loveis

Oops let me try that again, with CR/LF

Well, sometimes you'd be surprised......

*** g99 12/22 p. 32 'They Were So Refreshing!' ***

'They Were So Refreshing!'

RECENTLY the general manager of a hotel located near one of the international airports in Japan visited the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in Ebina. He seemed quite excited. Why?

During 1998, over 200 Witnesses stayed at the manager's hotel on their way to and from their international conventions in Africa, Australia, Korea, and North America. When the service staff of the hotel had a meeting to review the activities of the past year, they commented that of the hotel's 30,000 annual guests, these convention delegates were the most impressive they had served.

Therefore, the hotel manager traveled to Ebina to express appreciation. 'Those guests,' he said, 'were very polite and left their rooms clean and tidy. They often expressed their appreciation. Moreover, they provided words of encouragement from the Bible. They were so refreshing!'

The manager continued: 'We see many guests who are troubled. So we have been looking for some helpful information for them. We would like them to benefit from the Bible's teaching because it exerts a positive influence on the lives of people.'

As a result, the manager requested 80 sets of a number of publications of Jehovah's Witnesses so that he could place them in the hotel rooms. Among the publications requested was the 192-page book The Secret of Family Happiness.

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Quality Inn Suites, Noblesville Indiana

by Rosco in

staying here on an over night business trip.

opened my drawer nwt bible i fell out of my bed.

called the front desk they are in every room here.. i will never stay at another quality inn even though they are owned individually.

loveis

Well, sometimes you'd be surprised what happens...... *** g99 12/22 p. 32 'They Were So Refreshing!' *** 'They Were So Refreshing!' RECENTLY the general manager of a hotel located near one of the international airports in Japan visited the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in Ebina. He seemed quite excited. Why? During 1998, over 200 Witnesses stayed at the manager's hotel on their way to and from their international conventions in Africa, Australia, Korea, and North America. When the service staff of the hotel had a meeting to review the activities of the past year, they commented that of the hotel's 30,000 annual guests, these convention delegates were the most impressive they had served. Therefore, the hotel manager traveled to Ebina to express appreciation. 'Those guests,' he said, 'were very polite and left their rooms clean and tidy. They often expressed their appreciation. Moreover, they provided words of encouragement from the Bible. They were so refreshing!' The manager continued: 'We see many guests who are troubled. So we have been looking for some helpful information for them. We would like them to benefit from the Bible's teaching because it exerts a positive influence on the lives of people.' As a result, the manager requested 80 sets of a number of publications of Jehovah's Witnesses so that he could place them in the hotel rooms. Among the publications requested was the 192-page book The Secret of Family Happiness.

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Quality Inn Suites, Noblesville Indiana

by Rosco in

staying here on an over night business trip.

opened my drawer nwt bible i fell out of my bed.

called the front desk they are in every room here.. i will never stay at another quality inn even though they are owned individually.

loveis

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District Convention Resolution of 2003

by Agent 1 of 1 in

jw
friends

does anybody have the resolution that was given on the last day of the 2003 dc?

when i heard it, i almost fell out of my chair.

the brother said there were 10 guidelines we needed to follow in the resolution.

loveis

I have a recording of the resolution but I refuse to transcribe it.