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  LISTEN TO ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JW ABUSE CASE! (Berry Girls, NH Supreme Court)

  by loveis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.

  (if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:) .

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  The WTS lawyer says the child abuse reporting law "has nothing to do with this case because it is a criminal statute." ???
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  LISTEN TO ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JW ABUSE CASE! (Berry Girls, NH Supreme Court)

  by loveis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.

  (if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:) .

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  LISTEN TO ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JW ABUSE CASE! (Berry Girls, NH Supreme Court)

  by loveis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.

  (if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:) .

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  LISTEN TO ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JW ABUSE CASE! (Berry Girls, NH Supreme Court)

  by loveis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.

  (if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:) .

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  loveis

  If you have an mp3 player (Windows Media Player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3

  (If you need to catch up on the history of the Berry girls case, this ongoing New Hampshire Supreme Court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:)

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79251/1.ashx

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79671/1.ashx

  A few highlights: It appears that the justices asked considerably more questions of the Berry girls' lawyer, Marci Hamilton, and were clearly somewhat skeptical of their case. (At one point a justice says something like "The (trial court) judge's decision was clear and unambiguous as to the law, so why are we even here?") But the WTS lawyer, Donald Gardner, also had numerous questions asked of him.

  Note too, how at the start of his argument, Gardner makes clear how sympathetic the Wilton Congregation and the WTS is to what the Berry girls went through, at the same time that he points out that many of the congregation members are here today for the argument session. How many were there for Holly and Heather? They don't say, but evidently it was fewer.
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  LISTEN TO ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JW ABUSE CASE!! (Berry girls, NH Supreme Court)

  by loveis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!.

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.

  (if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:).

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  LISTEN TO ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JW ABUSE CASE!! (Berry girls, NH Supreme Court)

  by loveis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!.

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.

  (if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:).

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  loveis

  If you have an mp3 player (Windows Media Player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3

  (If you need to catch up on the history of the Berry girls case, this ongoing New Hampshire Supreme Court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:)

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79251/1.ashx

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79671/1.ashx

  A few highlights: It appears that the justices asked considerably more questions of the Berry girls' lawyer, Marci Hamilton, and were clearly somewhat skeptical of their case. (At one point a justice says something like "The (trial court) judge's decision was clear and unambiguous as to the law, so why are we even here?") But the WTS lawyer, Donald Gardner, also had numerous questions asked of him.

  Note too, how at the start of his argument, Gardner makes clear how sympathetic the Wilton Congregation and the WTS is to what the Berry girls went through, at the same time that he points out that many of the congregation members are here today for the argument session. How many were there for Holly and Heather? They don't say, but evidently it was fewer.
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  SHOWDOWN in the New Hampshire Supreme Court today!!! (JW Abuse Suit)

  by loveis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is the civil suit against the wts filed by the berry girls, as seen on "suffer the little children" in the uk and "fifth estate" in canada.

  a thread has been going on this in the child abuse section .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79251/1.ashx.

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  Well, what do you know--the audio session is available right now! Here it is:

  http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3

  I'll start a new thread to draw everyone's attention to this! (It's 38 minutes long, a little over the scheduled time, so download might take a while, but worth it!)
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  SHOWDOWN in the New Hampshire Supreme Court today!!! (JW Abuse Suit)

  by loveis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is the civil suit against the wts filed by the berry girls, as seen on "suffer the little children" in the uk and "fifth estate" in canada.

  a thread has been going on this in the child abuse section .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79251/1.ashx.

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  We will soon get to hear the full session of the oral arguments for ourselves, since the New Hampshire Supreme Court posts audio of the sessions some weeks later (perhaps early in November for this case). I will post a link to the audio file as soon as it is available. (mp3 format).

  The NHSC also doesn't take long (compared to other high-level courts) to decide, and looking at the general trend of time between argument and decision, I predict a decision in December or January.

  Bear in mind that even if (BIG if) the Berry girls win, they haven't won the war yet, just the battle; it simply means their lawsuit will go back to the trial court for further pre-trial proceedings and, eventually, a trial that they may or may not win. OTOH, if the WTS wins, that's it; the suit remains permanently dismissed and the only further appeal is to the U.S. Supreme Court (chances: usually considered zilch.)
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  SHOWDOWN in the New Hampshire Supreme Court today!!! (JW Abuse Suit)

  by loveis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is the civil suit against the wts filed by the berry girls, as seen on "suffer the little children" in the uk and "fifth estate" in canada.

  a thread has been going on this in the child abuse section .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79251/1.ashx.

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  loveis

  bttt
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  SHOWDOWN in the New Hampshire Supreme Court today!!! (JW Abuse Suit)

  by loveis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is the civil suit against the wts filed by the berry girls, as seen on "suffer the little children" in the uk and "fifth estate" in canada.

  a thread has been going on this in the child abuse section .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79251/1.ashx.

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  loveis

  It is the civil suit against the WTS filed by the Berry Girls, as seen on "Suffer the Little Children" in the UK and "Fifth Estate" in Canada. A thread has been going on this in the Child Abuse section

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/79251/1.ashx

  but since the day has arrived I thought I might post this in the more-traveled Friends section so all can be thinking about them at about 2 PM to 3 PM Eastern Time today.