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ive seen posts here and there in the past months on this board that talk about ex-dub activism but i hate to admit this but most of the activities mentioned are rather ineffective in really doing anything but making us ex-dubs feel collectively better.. we have discussed protesting at conventions, making a protest walk, peeing on c.t.
russells grave, playing some games at local kingdom halls, and playing mind games with dubs online.
i really dont have anything against these forms of activism but i dont think they accomplish much.. what i therefore dare suggest and beg for your comments are new ideas of how we can redirect our anger more effectively and support actions and causes that sting the borg like hell and also help others out the door.. i have nothing but praise for the actions of people who take a stand like silent lambs, or others who have setup informative ex-dub websites and i think one good thing we could do is support these efforts by doing some fund raising.. i also would love to stick something right up the ass of the gb but im trying to think of just how to do it.
Keep us posted on how it goes. I know that when I email a copy of a 2-paragraph "Liberator" to 100 JWs it is read. Some write back asking how I got their emails, a few write back something hateful, most simply seem to read it. When similar material has been regular mailed later I've heard that so-and-so left the Watchtower Society or became inactive etc. So that works too. But billboards & bumperstickers can inform more faster when displayed in city areas. (not cow pastures as Mad suggested).
i'm sure someone has already posted this, but i've been away so mea culpa just in case.
boston police recieved an anonymous package that contained the names of priests involved in sex abuse claims.
i was pondering whether or not the eventual result for the jws will be the same.
Active elders should reveal the names of JW pedophiles too even if by an anonymous tip to the police.
here is an interview with the president of the seventh day adventist church.. http://presidential.gc.adventist.org/insidelook/data/2001/09/1002231786/index.html.en.
i could not help but notice his emphasis on unity and remembering something ray franz alluded to in one of his books as recurring repetitively throughout christian churches history.. the second value is unity.
god gave to this church a unique structure.
Colossians says LOVE not sameness of beliefs is the strongest bond of unity. Matthew 7 clearly shows the "narrow road" to walk is not sameness of views but LOVE in action.
ive seen posts here and there in the past months on this board that talk about ex-dub activism but i hate to admit this but most of the activities mentioned are rather ineffective in really doing anything but making us ex-dubs feel collectively better.. we have discussed protesting at conventions, making a protest walk, peeing on c.t.
russells grave, playing some games at local kingdom halls, and playing mind games with dubs online.
i really dont have anything against these forms of activism but i dont think they accomplish much.. what i therefore dare suggest and beg for your comments are new ideas of how we can redirect our anger more effectively and support actions and causes that sting the borg like hell and also help others out the door.. i have nothing but praise for the actions of people who take a stand like silent lambs, or others who have setup informative ex-dub websites and i think one good thing we could do is support these efforts by doing some fund raising.. i also would love to stick something right up the ass of the gb but im trying to think of just how to do it.
Another approach: articles by Steve Bates in the U.K. and those put out by silentlambs.org in the U.S. are getting to many in the public. Accelerate this. Talk Simon into posting their emails in a permanent prominent place on this board, not just the url for silentlambs which is often at the top. Also we can pass along leads and article ideas to those two, i.e. Bates and silentlambs.org including for example bleedings to death and suicides we know of. For the record, we are not destroying the Watchtower for it is doing that itself, but we are exposing its misdoings as an act of love to save others pain and in some cases even death from inadequate medical care.
ive seen posts here and there in the past months on this board that talk about ex-dub activism but i hate to admit this but most of the activities mentioned are rather ineffective in really doing anything but making us ex-dubs feel collectively better.. we have discussed protesting at conventions, making a protest walk, peeing on c.t.
russells grave, playing some games at local kingdom halls, and playing mind games with dubs online.
i really dont have anything against these forms of activism but i dont think they accomplish much.. what i therefore dare suggest and beg for your comments are new ideas of how we can redirect our anger more effectively and support actions and causes that sting the borg like hell and also help others out the door.. i have nothing but praise for the actions of people who take a stand like silent lambs, or others who have setup informative ex-dub websites and i think one good thing we could do is support these efforts by doing some fund raising.. i also would love to stick something right up the ass of the gb but im trying to think of just how to do it.
Some of the ideas presented here are not ethical and hopefully were just presented in jest, for otherwise in the U.S. might well be deemed hate-crime material, e.g. the virus thing, and so I'm sure we denounce those - I for one certainly do. The informational ideas like billboards or bumpersticks are practical and cheap as would be letters-to-editors.
ive seen posts here and there in the past months on this board that talk about ex-dub activism but i hate to admit this but most of the activities mentioned are rather ineffective in really doing anything but making us ex-dubs feel collectively better.. we have discussed protesting at conventions, making a protest walk, peeing on c.t.
russells grave, playing some games at local kingdom halls, and playing mind games with dubs online.
i really dont have anything against these forms of activism but i dont think they accomplish much.. what i therefore dare suggest and beg for your comments are new ideas of how we can redirect our anger more effectively and support actions and causes that sting the borg like hell and also help others out the door.. i have nothing but praise for the actions of people who take a stand like silent lambs, or others who have setup informative ex-dub websites and i think one good thing we could do is support these efforts by doing some fund raising.. i also would love to stick something right up the ass of the gb but im trying to think of just how to do it.
Put up a huge or easily seen billboard: Watchtower Society's Pedophile Coverup: www.silentlambs.com ; put it near a highway if possible so that a lot of people will see it. Later put another up, then another. They will be good witnesses to the real truth. If the billboards are not affordable do the same with posters put in the lower back part of your car/s though not to where they block your own
ability to see traffic
despite the lackluster records of jw number growth in the past 6 years, i believe that their numbers will start to swell again and remain high for at least another 10 years here is why.. the society is becoming more and more business like in its approach (especially after last year's re-org) on how to maintain and increase growth.
the wts, like any corporation when it becomes acutely aware of stagnation, begins to formulate a number of new techniques in order to bolster its sagging membership or sales.
this could include, tv ads (i believe intuit39 mentioned something to that effect), radio, newspaper and magazine ads and direct mailings.
Many JWs became such in 1970-80, are now 40-50 & about to go into their 60s & 70s, when many will die, thus decreasing membership.
The 1970-80 time was when Knorr ruled in a firm but usually kinder way than his successors and predecessors. He was also a tyrant but not as bad.
i have heard comments in the past about people being bugged, telephones, homes, cars, etc.. does anyone really know this happens or is it apostate urban lore?
I believe their rationale for doing it is that it helps keep the congregations pure from dissenters/apostates, sexual sinners etc. It helps them to better test and refine potential elders, watch suspect elders. To them it breaks man's laws but not God's so is okay. I knew a sister they said was about to commit suicide, a little later elder so-n-so happens to come by and talk her out of it. Often I've heard of pioneers pray for help, say cash to go to a convention. Lo and behold here comes cash in the mail. It's been called Jehovah's Spirit in action but inevitably some of the human "angels" will get caught and even the pedophile thing will be eclipsed. Maybe some of us could start dropping some leads in the mail to the right officials on these things like the pedophile coverup and privacy concerns.
i have heard comments in the past about people being bugged, telephones, homes, cars, etc.. does anyone really know this happens or is it apostate urban lore?
Yes, there are numerous anecdotes some in writing about the problem. Amazing appears to have wondered if it was done with him. I've had elders and their toadies tell me things that they would have had to have bugged me to have known about. Someone I know also has some devices that they considered notifying fbi.org about but did't because not sure of them as not an electronics expert and not wanting to called a liar or crackpot if they didn't pan out. From Paul Blizzard back to William Schnell there are written statements that the Watchtower Society spies and keeps files. There's a reason they are the "Watchtower" Society over JWs. People also need to find out about the Watchtower Security company in California, apparently not security as in stocks and bonds but as in surveillance.
