Though the Kitawali broke from the WT they continued many of the same teachings then current in Russell's time, adding violence to combat British colonialism, were very popular & some regard the Mau-Mau (au is said like ow in how now brown cow) as wings of the Kitawali or WT movement. Those slit throats of colonists during the night then vanished at daylight.
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Kitawali Watchtower movement.. silent murderers
by avengers inmany african nations have battled against violent offshoots from the watchtower society called "kitawali" meaning simply "watchtower" movement, who have been silent murderers in the dark, whose origins date back to the days of first watchtower president ct russell.
i quoted this from an e-mail from the jahchristian group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian.
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LATEST INFO ON THE BERRY v. WATCHTOWER LAWSUIT
by MadApostate inwould silentlambs/billbowen, or some other member of the xjw hierarchy clique, be so kind as to grace us xjw commoners, irregulars, and inactives with the latest info regarding the berry lawsuit?.
i do believe that it was early to mid august when you guys were so kind as to notify the board that the lawsuit was being filed, along with predictions that the berry lawsuit, and the undoubtedly avalanche of similar lawsuits, would bring the wts to its "financial knees".. well, its been over 120 days, and there must have been several pre-trial motions and rulings, including a motion to dismiss by the wts.. would you kindly fill us peons in on the details?.
what other lawsuits have been filed in this interim?
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anewperson
Yes, some of Mad's postings do make us wonder about him at time. Mad, you want the VERY LATEST, then why not pick up the phone and call Anderson & Reinhardt?
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Interfaith in NYC?? Who knows details?
by OhHappyDay inwell, i read something about, but i have no link nor further details.
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anewperson
A WTS rep gave a talk before an interfaith group in Germany in or about 1999. The interfaith meeting was hosted by Scientology.
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AFF Annual Cult Conference
by Dogpatch inaff 2002 annual conference - orlando, florida june 14-15, 2002. .
friday & saturday, june 14-15, 2002. .
fax: .
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anewperson
Jerry Bergman is going -- GREAT! Love his books. Extremely well-documented. That Cygnus has some dislike for Jerry is simply another good reason to like him.
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christmas?
by moondance inhi, i am not a jehovahs witness.
i was curious why you do not celebrate christmas and birthdays.
i'm not judgmental, just curious.
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Before again says Christmas, Santa etc are pagan, read this:
The true story of Santa Claus is not "pagan" as some others have alleged (except for leprechauns) although it sounds like a romantic made-up myth, and yet it is true and historically documented, here condensed for easy reading from an article by Austin Miles, a highly reputable chaplain, writer and historian in Northern California which was on crosswalk.com on December 20, 2001. Miles was also a writer-researcher and technical consultant for the CBS award-winning rseries Ancient Secrets of The Bible.
To begin, about 200 AD some elders met at a little church in Myra, Turkey was to decide on their next bishop and, being uncertain whom this should be, they began praying, while out at sea a ship's crew battled a storm then in desperation shouted for Nicholas, a known man of God with a long white beard, to pray for them. He did, the storm calmed down, and the ship drifted into Myra's harbor. The church elders had quit their praying, feeling sure God wanted them to appoint the first man named Nicholas entering the church to pray within the hour. When Nicholas entered they gave him a long red robe and cane or miter, and he soon became known as The Bishop of Miracles because of many spectacular answers to his prayers.Although from a wealthy family Nicholas gave away most of his own money but was also sometimes given donations of gold coins which he wanted to put to the best use. Girls back then who did not have a dowry to get married were sold into slavery which included prostitution. To combat this on December 6th at dark Nicholas wrapped gold coins in some little bags and visited homes with a daughter who had no dowry, dropping a bag through the windows so that it landed on the hearth where the girl's clothing was drying. The next morning each family was delighted that their daughter would not have to become a slave although nobody knew who the mysterious gift-giver had been. One night a bag fell into a stocking that was drying before a fireplace instead of on the hearth, giving rise to the custom came of using stockings to hold some Christmas gifts.
Shortly before Nicholas's death on a December 6th, people learned he was the gift-giver who had brought such great joy to so many families, and om the 9th Century, the Roman Catholic Church declared him a saint, that is Saint Nicholas. His story spread, and French nuns in the 12th Century also started going out at night each year to give fruit and nuts to poor families with children on December 5 the day before Nicholas' day so that it was called St Nicholas Eve. The tradition spread to the Americas where some people still celebrate on December 6th. Luther believed the true Christmas message about Jesus Christ was diminished by the St Nicholas connection, and the Dutch-German Protestant Reform Movement sought to highlight Christ more, using the German word for Christ and child which is Christkindl from which comes Kris Kringle.
The night before Christmas on 1822, Clement Moore, the son of the Episcopal bishop of New York, and himself a theology professor, wrote the poem The Night Before Christmas for his children, which was published 1823 in the Sentinel of Troy, New York. Moore used the name Santa Claus, likely from Dutch Sinter (Saint) and Klass which is short for Nicholas. Dutch knowing little English but aware gold had been found on the fireplace hearth in Nicholas' time started the legend that the original Santa Claus had come down the chimney, landing in the cinders, and called him Cinder Klaussen. Moore's poem popularized Santa famous, he named the reindeer, and made them fly perhaps because poet Washington Irving wrote a book in 1809 about a Dutch Colonist's dream in which St Nick rode above trees in a wagon bearing gifts.
Harper's Weekly cartoonist Thomas Nash depicted Santa as plump, jolly and dressed in the red that robes worn by St Nicholas had actually used. Haddon Sundblom drew the most famous picture of Santa which was for the soft drink company Coca Cola, and the elves came from Ireland's leprechauns....... Perhaps these documented facts will surprise some readers, since from about 1920 to 2001 so much misinformation was left about by those religionists in magazines on the alleged pagan origins of Santa Claus, some even claiming he derived from wizards in the far north of Russia or an ancient god who came down chimneys in the Orient, thus needlessly denying themselves and others much joy since the true story of St Nicholas is wholly Christian - the only possible exception being the elves. So, ho-ho-ho and a merry Christmas to all!
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watchtower org registered laboritories
by nelly136 inhttp://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/hcra/provider/provlab4.htm.
watch tower bible & tract society clinical laboratory of brooklyn 21 clark street brooklyn ny 11201 address change 01/16/01 .
watch tower bible & tract society clinical laboratory of patterson 100 watchtower drive patterson ny 12563-9204 opened 03/24/99 .
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anewperson
Blood-Urine-Pregnancy testing. The pregnancy thing may relate to seeing if married female workers at Bethel, such as nurses, became pregnant. Urine testing may have to do with checking for drugs. Blood testing may relate to checking for AIDS. However, this is only guessing. Besides which they are also testing for staph and other bacterial infections of blood and urine. Perhaps whole blood glucose refers to testing done of all, not just parts, of the blood to see what the blood sugar (glucose) level is as in regard to diabetes.
Here's another question though. Why 3 new places in just the past 2 years?
And another comment. They do mention mononucleosis which is a sexual disease that can be transmitted by kissing. When people go to Bethel etc do not become totally nonsexual and doctors testing for STDs would be a logical consequence.
When does Kent return?
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Raymond Franz and UN
by kpax incan anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.
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FARKEL, If it's concise enough then after it's sold out in paper form he can let some of us put it on the internet where millions will see. As to corresponding being a burden at age 80, he can tell readers that he will not be able to reply to all persons due to age and health. I'm surprised he didn't and doesn't just give the French translation work over to someone else. Anyway, thanks & tell him hi from the Free Christians, and "We love him!"
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Raymond Franz and UN
by kpax incan anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.
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Wow, Farkel, I didn't know that! That being the case why doesn't he put out a small booklet that blasts the Watchtower yet again to pieces. It would sell big time, help him and his wife out, liberate lots of JWs, and in general make people happy (except the WTS)?
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Christmas and birthdays...
by Celia inthis thought came to me this morning, as i was lying in bed, trying to figure out which end is up.... the jws dont celebrate christmas, the birth of christ their savior.... because in earlier times, the same date was used to celebrate the return of the sun, the winter solstice.... (by the way, celebrating the return of the sun makes a lot of sense... no sun - no life..... we know the sun is there, we know what it does, no such thing about a god...) .
but i regress.. so, because on this date, pagans used to celebrate the sun, the jws dont want to celebrate christs birth..... its a little bit like not wanting to celebrate the birthday of a loved one, because he/she was born on the same day as a bad guy in history, like hitler, or napoleon, or slobodan milosevic, or saddam hussein, or osama bin laden... etc.... hmmm... my thinking is flawed, because, of course, the jws dont celebrate birthdays either.... question : did they first decide that christmas was evil or birthday celebrating was ?.
edited because the emoticon does not work.... :) :?
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You say give gifts to Christ instead of "people" and that would be more biblical but ignore that Christ gave countless gifts and not to himself but to "people." One gift was that of good health for those he touched. For some like Lazarus it was the gift of life. And he also said his followers should give gifts of joy such as inviting the blind and lame to parties. And of course at parties even then there were gifts if but in the form of food, drink and companionship. Christ himself turned water to wine at a wedding party in Cana. He also accepted gifts; or do you not recall that his accepting the Nard oil or perfume after which the disciples griped as it was very expensive? You also got an email because it could not be known if you would come back here to see this board, and since the same still applies I shall email you again to make sure you get it.
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Which is worse: thinking or raping children?
by Mr Ben inwhich is worse: thinking for yourself or raping children?
most sane people in the world, whether religious or not would clearly say the latter was the worse, and worse by as large a margin as could be conceived.
unless, that is, you are a jehovah's witness.. in jehovah land, thinking anything contrary to the organisation is the worst of crimes.
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I'm in the U.S. but wouldn't be surprised if some of you there in the U.K. searched directories such as AOL and yahoo to locate emails of persons living in whatever area the child molestor will be attending the kingdom hall at. Often you just type in the name of the nation and a particular town then out pops matching emails. John Miller can run to hide in the Kingdom Halls but he can also be exposed to the public who in turn will tell the JWs with children at such halls. Now that's my opinion. What do you think? Do you also guess somebody just might maybe do that for the safety of the children?