Over the past 5 years in particular Bethelites have commented on how often they were told to try to save the WTS's money. Artificial flowers have been substituted for real flowers for stage decorations. The calendars got so tiny you could barely read the print. They started using all paperback study books. Recently U.S. members were told mail subscriptions were being done away with. So now a committe has put it into writing. Rank-and-filers can vote on Watchtower policies after all... by the pocketbook, i.e. how much money they do or don't give to Babylon the Great's daughter in Brooklyn each month.
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EXCLUSIVE Official GB Publishing Committee Report
by stevieb1 inpublishing committee report .
a report from the publishing committee on making the best use of contributed funds.. five years ago because of construction in the united states and throughout the world on k. h. and a. h. and branches the needs were greater than the available funds putting quite a strain on the resources.. the design build committee limited any building projects to only those absolutely necessary.
this resulted in saving millions of dollars just the first year.. the operations committee with the help of a new integrated computer system was able to make some significant changes.
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"MARKED" over UN issue
by Brother 1914 inlast oct.i was shocked to be invited to a "legal" party to be held in feb. i was under the impression i had been "marked" since i was out of the loop close to a decade.. so i checked the box that we'd be attending the big 50 anniversary of my aunt & uncle, i included the un fax & articles from guardian paper.
on the return card i added an asterisk by the checkmark.. "can you verify that there will be no public reading of "softball" articles of "awake" promoting the un at this event?
i'd hate to see my young daughter exposed to the spiritual sight of watchtower's feet 666' in the air.. i received a reply this week.. dear ..... thank you for your response to our anniversary party invitation.
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And I think "you" (K) came down way too hard.
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Watchtower and Awake Subscriptions
by RealElder inwe just had a letter read in our cong.
informing us that the society will no longer be sending out the magazines by subscription.
the letter said that this brings the usa in line with the rest of the world.
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It might maybe have been true for Canada for several years but I very much doubt it's been true for ALL THE REST OF THE WORLD. As usual they are giving an excuse instead of the real reason which is less money coming in to them in Brooklyn. People are voting the only way they can, via their pocketbooks.
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XJW MURDERER LONGO IS SON OF INDIANAPOLIS ELDER
by MadApostate infbi wanted poster:.
- http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=38050.
newport, or - the hunt for christian longo is going on national television.
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anewperson
So despite a past record of violence he was urged to go door-to-door as a JW and did. America, people in other nations, do you KNOW who it is knocking at your doors? Really know? Some include child molestors. Joe Public, who's knocking at your wife's door? You can't just go by how clean-shaven someone is or how nice their magazine pictures or even their beliefs appear. You must bo as Christ said by knowing their past fruitage. Shame on the Watchtower Society for putting people at risk from such dangerous characters.
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Just for you, Maximus
by belbab inin the post just for you, farkel brother big jimbob, comments about maximus:yeah maximus was a big loss.
his predicting the results of the historical special meeting make you know look prophetic.
lol .
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What he said did happen, namely no big doctrinal changes but some organizational ones for saving money - just they were not announced at that special meeting probably because they found out what Max had posted openly. His credibility is enhanced, not diminished.
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Hi to all the Girl's and Boy's
by Nute inofficially been out of the organization since 1990 .... i have e-mailed some of you already .... a very nice group of individuals i must say.
what does borg mean?
i did rattle some cages with the last post by silientlamb, but i guess that's what it is all about listening to both the good and the bad.
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Hi and welcome.
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What things are pagan in origin?
by roybatty ini read someone's commment about the pagan origins of pretzels, which i didn't know.
i'd like to share with my kids other items or customs that are also pagan in origin, like wedding rings and the wedding cake.
i want them to see that christmas isn't the only tradition with roots in pagan religion that have changed meaning over the years.. any others out there?
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The Bible gives names of early Christians whose names were the same as or derived from pagan gods and goddesses such as Apollos and Nympha. God saw fit to have them as Christians despite the pagan origins of their names -- contrast to the Watchtower's stand on pagan-derived things. For that matter coins may have come from pagans. Of course scripture also says to become known as "reasonable" and the WTS fails repeatedly at that.
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The Govering Body....victims?
by Preston inthe governing body... victims of the misinformation that has gone back many, many years?
they might not be as entirely evil as many of you have pointed out.
even hitler believed the misinformation that he so strongly promoted, an anti-semitism that stretched back centuries.
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Ray Franz has said they don't get much direct money but perks equal to cash, e.g. WTS money (from rank-and-file) pay for airline tickets to conventions on other continents, local members often give them free meals at their homes or expensive restaurants, in Bethel they get free maid, medical and other care-services, in short anything you could want they are simply given..... some nonprofitting victims, huh?
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I Need To Vent...
by LisaK inthey found me.
i went to the grocery store yesterday, and an old congregation member was hiding in the parking lot passing out wt's.
(end of the month you know, gotta log all those placements for your service report) i don't know how they found me, but she said "i heard you're living over on so-and-so street?
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To get them off your back make copies of the following (in its entirety or just selected parts), roll those copies up and rubber-band them then drive by in the evening and toss them onto the sidewalk leading up the homes of the nosey sister, the elders, maybe the kingdom hall and a few other people. They'll then leave you alone or you can get more out to other JWs. Neat, huh
LOVING OUR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS FAMILY & FRIENDS, we're informing the congregation and public with documentated facts that expose misleadership by the Watchtower Society (WTS) heads over our JW loved ones:
WTS heads denounced the UN as ungodly even while the WTS was a Non-Government Organization of the UN 1991-0ct 2001 & this was far more than just using the UN's libary as proved by AWAKE articles Nov 22, 1998 in particular and http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,574134,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,565005,00.html
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00577Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Samuel 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate unBLED meat to not starve and no verses show God not forgiving them plus in Matthew 7 Christ says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread and that God wants Mercy Not Sacrifice. The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW children who died without transfusions, and common sense tells that in extremely massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives (ajwrb.org). An estimated 3 JWs die daily earthwide from the WTS’s unscriptural policy (Blood On The Altar, David Reed), forgotten by many but not God!
Christ said families would be divided by some members doing good and others doing wrongs but never ever advocated destruction of families. 1 Corinthians 6:1 only says judge "trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful, and Paul says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6), followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer, meaning a minority chose not to and yet he nowhere condemns them. So we ask why the formal Judicial Committes destroying families via their numerous formal renderings of disfellowshipment?
All members are told to report on each other though the Bible condemns busy-bodying. Page 302 in the Daniel book and pages 88 and 651 in the Proclaimers book show photos of the Knights Templar swords and the cross-with-crown-and-wreath used by Masons who sometimes use "Theocratic Warfare" tactics to change members' personalities on early WTS’s literature. Some old Watchtower books also have the winged sun god Ra on front covers - never a Christian symbol. Nor are regular JWs allowed to read Judicial Committee "sin files" on themselves, many not knowing they exist; often with misinformation.(photos: freeminds.org) See also picture of Pay Attention To Yourselves And All The Flock book on p 232 of the Insight book that elders have but which non-elders are not allowed to read.Verses say don't forget the poor (Galatians 2:10), give free (Mat 10:8), and Christ helped the hungry and sick, so why ask donations at doors since, as the New World translation puts it, "we're not peddlars of God's word" (2 Cor 2:17, New World)? 2 Tim 5:8 condemns those uncaring of their own so why after 120 years do WTS heads not have for the needy among JWs & others regular food-clothing collections, soup kitchens, hospitals, nursing homes--only token literacy classes, short term disaster relief committees existing briefly after disasters? What our hands do to help people is a greater witness than our mouths.
Doctrinally Watchtower leaders admit Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore he was conceived 9 months before which means late December. Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Don't Job 1:3, 3:1 and 3:3 (you must read all 3 verses) show Job's kids celebrated birthdays? Didn't angels celebrate Christ's birth? Why call "compromises" those holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms? Doesn’t Colossians 12:16 says let none judge you about a holiday. WTS heads say the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are 1 "identical" person yet not all but many churches accept it as 3 totally different entities or persons forming 1 "Godship" as Ro 1:20 says in the New World Translation. WTS heads don't note Son and Spirit can share inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only 1 day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity and information. WTS heads say a stake not a cross slew Christ though the Greek stauros can mean either cross or stake, crucified human remains and inscriptions by archaeologists show it was a cross, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but in hours if on outstretched cross even as Luke 23:44 and Matthew 27:45-6 say. They teach a cross is a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in the stauros as a symbol of resurrection over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18)
Watchtower heads say we must use Jehovah or variations of God’s formal name (Yahweh, Jah etc) but Christ says call God “Our Father” (Mat 5:9) and Paul (Romans 8:15) also says call God “Father” for closeness so why overstress only 1 certain formal form? To hallow Our Father’s name is to glorify His personage for example by kind deeds but top WTS leaders brought disrepute on Jehovah's name often mispredicting dates for Armageddon or the Kingdom as shown in the dark green Proclaimers history (see index for dates) and some have even informally tried linking Terrorism attacks to Armageddon! Didn’t Christ say "no one" knows the hour or day of the end and isn’t mispredicting a vain usage of God’s name that keeps bringing reproach. See Ex 20:7, Deu 18:22.
Regular members exposed Nazis but few know Germany’s Watchtower head Eric Frost betrayed them to Nazis. (www.observer.org) Betrayed during the Cold War, many East European JWs formed a highly conservative association in 1962. A Free Christians movement of mostly ex-JWs fellowships based on LOVE and Heb 6:1-2 basics. Associating independent cooperative Bible Groups (Active Christians of Jah etc) teach resurrection on Earth and to heaven but drop bad WTS policies: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian[email protected]
Horrible but facts: Leo Greenlees was a child molester whom fellow Governing Body members over JWs reassigned but never disfellowshipped (excommunicated) in the 1980s, and to date child abuse by Watchtower Society (WTS) associates is still officially covered up, causing costly destructive court costs and reproach including articles in Christianity Today, investigations by Dateline NBC etc. For copies of letters to the Bodies Of Elders regular members aren't shown including on child abuse see: www.silentlambs.org, freeminds.org, observer.org.
Some members have reported elders resorting to physical harassment (poking, shoving etc), hinting "Jehovah’s eyes are everywhere" and giving details of the members’ most private conversations and bedroom doings with their own marriage mates. WTS heads put out articles saying for elders not to “police” the bedrooms in 1978 but later in a talk (but not in writing) in 1983 told regular members "The Practice" of some marital intimacies can lead to Expulsion. (discussed on Jehovahs-Witness.com) Some regular JWs absent that evening have been "expelled" (harassed/trained) without clearly aware why. Contrast this to the pedophilia coverups. The "Insight" books by the WTS have articles on all Bible books except the Song of Solomon (also called Canticles) which has much positive marital imagery out of line with the Gov Body’s views of what is “holy.” Instructed to keep such things "in-house" when asked most elders deny the 1983-onwards policy in order to protect the Governing Body.
All who put God foremost remember it's best to worship and do His will, and Christ is the Most faithful, discrete slave, not an unrepentant Governing Body of men in Brooklyn. This isn’t an attack on “JWs” but the “Watchtower” misleadership over JWs who include our loved ones! Our loved ones are told they must not read this material if given it by hand, but when e/mailed it most do quietly read it, some exit, most feel angry at first then quietly decrease donations to the WTS etc. Please make and share copies of this.
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The Time Is Now! New book on JWs, UN, etc.
by Dogpatch inthe time is now!
talk to jehovah's witnesses.
for decades, the watch tower has been saying.... * be no part of the world.
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I think this also ties in:
FLAGS, WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS OF THEM: Speaking of banners, i.e. elongated flags, Psalm 20:5 says “We will cry out joyfully because of your salvation, and in the name of our God we shall lift our banners.” Canticles (Song of Solomon) 2:4 says “He brought me into the house of wine, and his banner over me was love.” Canticles 6:4 says “You are beautiful , O girl companion of mine, like Pleasant City, comely like Jerusalem, awesome as companies gathered around banners.” And the last verse referring to flags is Canticles 6:10 which says “Who is this woman who is looking down like the dawn, beautiful like the full moon, pure like the glowing sun, awesome as companies gathered around banners?” So as you read, the Bible speaks of flags in no negative way at all but in the contexts of joy and love. And no matter how much someone may have told us otherwise the real truth is that most people salute flags to show “respect,” not to worship them or a represented national heritage, government system or beliefs etc. Insofar as showing respect in religion, who deserves it more: a man who misspoke about flags as if idols as did J.F. Rutherford in the 1900s when reining over Jehovah’s Witnesses, or both the Bible and the common sense that God put into us?
Perhaps some in the past believed as Rutherford taught because taught the same by very loving friends or family convinced that he was correct, but when the real truth appears like this, will you put God’s will first even above those whom you love but now know are misinformed? Note that Romans 14:1-5 affirms that Christians are to enjoy freedom to differ on things beyond the very simplest key and essential beliefs of the faith (Hebrews 6:1-2), with an emphasis on LOVE, and this Christian freedom applies to views about flags as well. Ask for a totally free subscription to “the Free Christians Newsletter” from jahchristian at yahoo.com with no obligation to join anything at all and regardless of your belief system if any; again jahchristian at yahoo.com today.