Posts by Incognito

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Did Geoffrey Jackson Commit Perjury, or Just "Spiritual Warfare"?

by The Searcher in

mr. jackson was pressured by angus stewart to answer if the org condoned corporal punishment, to which he openly stated that the org does not condone corporal punishment for j.w.

children.

this "fact" has never been revealed in the org's literature, in fact, this article which was published under geoffrey jackson's supervision, by definition demonstrates the org's approval of corporal punishment for j.w.

Incognito

At 48:25 of Part One, Jackson made this statement "Even in ancient times God did not have in mind for children to be beaten up in a bad way."

As WT and JWs often rely on technicalities, stating 'beaten up' could be considered differently than corporal punishment, while intended to mislead. Likewise the 'in a bad way' statement.

The WT promote shunning as a loving provision, not the harsh, unloving, cruel action as we now see it to be. The use of physical discipline is considered as good for the child, not as a bad action.

As each court witness must swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, any untruth or misleading testimony, regardless of reason, would be considered by the court to be perjury.

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Canadian branch getting rid of their trucks and drivers

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

a recent letter to the elders outlined the new arrangement for delivering literature to the congregations.

the canadian branch will be downsizing by eliminating drivers and trucks and utilizing commercial carriers to bring the boxes of monthly literature .

more outsourcing and more lay offs.. the funny thing about it is that they want to have the literature delivered to various private homes of the rank and file rather than have the literature delivered to the kingdom hall.

Incognito

They probably get lower rates of delivered to private homes

While courier companies usually charge a consistent rate based upon weight, they are usually used for small volume shipments. Large haulers must normally take loading and unloading time and ease into consideration particularly if certain homes will be used as a central hub. Paper is heavy. A private home means no loading dock which then requires that every piece be handled individually. Depending on the type of home and access, a larger truck will often need to be offloaded at the street, likely to a hand cart. All this, regardless of weather.

As nevaagain related above, it appears that WT is also eliminating sorting prior to shipment. Instead of placing each congregation's order in separate boxes which the intended recipient is clearly identified, they are instead combining all orders together and then offloading responsibility for sorting and repackaging to the Literature Servants at the receiving end. I guess they are called a 'Servant' for a reason.

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Canadian branch getting rid of their trucks and drivers

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

a recent letter to the elders outlined the new arrangement for delivering literature to the congregations.

the canadian branch will be downsizing by eliminating drivers and trucks and utilizing commercial carriers to bring the boxes of monthly literature .

more outsourcing and more lay offs.. the funny thing about it is that they want to have the literature delivered to various private homes of the rank and file rather than have the literature delivered to the kingdom hall.

Incognito

I would expect more than 2 trucks due to WT & Awake being shipped to USA.

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Canadian branch getting rid of their trucks and drivers

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

a recent letter to the elders outlined the new arrangement for delivering literature to the congregations.

the canadian branch will be downsizing by eliminating drivers and trucks and utilizing commercial carriers to bring the boxes of monthly literature .

more outsourcing and more lay offs.. the funny thing about it is that they want to have the literature delivered to various private homes of the rank and file rather than have the literature delivered to the kingdom hall.

Incognito

As I understand the WT & Awake have been printed in Canada for Canada & USA, it would seem that more trucks & drivers should be required.

While maintenance and fuel is expensive, WT has its own mechanics and drivers (unpaid) and fuel costs are the same whether used in their own trucks or by a private carrier.

I would expect that long haul trips would initially be full trailer loads but the load would become lighter as deliveries are completed, farther away from home base. Return trips are likely empty unless a pick-up of paper, ink or other supplies can be arranged on the way back. If travelling empty, then the trip is further overhead.

Perhaps WT is intending to reduce/eliminate much of the printed literature, instead forcing r&f witnesses to download at least their personal materials off the JW.org website.

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Yes!!! We will see Jackson's face!

by OrphanCrow in

i emailed mr. stewart about jackson's testimony, asking if the video link would be visible to the public.. this was his prompt reply:.

thank you dianne for your interest.

the it people tell me that mr jackson will be on the screen for all to see and hear.regardsangus stewart.

Incognito

Village Idiot

I understand the statement to mean that Jackson will attend the RC to testify in person, and the proceeding will be viewable on line for the world to watch.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

Incognito

The Letters to the Bodies of Elders, for instance? Nobody here ever gets upset about breaches in confidentiality or etiquette when one of those gets posted here.

Same goes for audio recordings or videos of Judicial Hearing proceedings. After all, the private matters discussed regard the person that recorded and posted them.

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Demoted from elder to MS, anybody ever heard of this?

by Naoscillator in

so a friend in a nearby hall told me their co came through, and in a hellish week of long meetings and inquisition overhauled the boe.

only one remains as elder, three were re-appointed as ms, and one, the cobe was deleted entirely.. two new elders were brought in as new secretary and cobe / watchtower conductor, respectively, and introduced to the congregation from the platform on sunday immediately following his second talk.

he reminded everybody of the authority he has and then named the new appointees.

Incognito

Morpheus said: It confims nothing.

Ooops, I guess I should have said "evidently".

This is Spanish, mind you, a different story attendance wise than English in the US.

Yes! I understand there is a difference. You mention US but even in this country 10+ years ago when we were faithful attenders, a member of the public attending on Sunday was so rare, it was virtually non existent. Still, congregation administrative matters were always addressed during the mid-week 'members' meeting.

From what I've previously witnessed, if there had been a major problem in the congregation to the scale you describe, the CO will have been involved long before his scheduled visit. He would held meetings with the now former elders, although the remainder of the congregation might not be aware of his presence. I've also seen an additional CO visit added in between the regularly scheduled visits. Changes being made were then announced during the CO's local needs talk.

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Demoted from elder to MS, anybody ever heard of this?

by Naoscillator in

so a friend in a nearby hall told me their co came through, and in a hellish week of long meetings and inquisition overhauled the boe.

only one remains as elder, three were re-appointed as ms, and one, the cobe was deleted entirely.. two new elders were brought in as new secretary and cobe / watchtower conductor, respectively, and introduced to the congregation from the platform on sunday immediately following his second talk.

he reminded everybody of the authority he has and then named the new appointees.

Incognito

These types of administrative matters had always been addressed during the Service Meeting, never on a Sunday. Sunday had always been considered as open to the public.

I guess, this further confirms that the public do not attend on Sunday so there is no reason to delay dealing with the congregation's private matters.

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Hello Everyone

by MarieK in

i hope everyone is having a good saturday.

i've visited this many times in the past month or so, joined yesterday and finally got the nerve to post!

needless to say, i'm super nervous, being new to this whole experience.

Incognito

Welcome Marie,

It's strange to now look back and accept we thought it wrong and 'unthinkable' to not be able to research the religion we were an active member in.

While this religion is frequently referred to as "The Truth", in actuality, it can't stand-up to a little true research and criticism by its own members, never mind outsiders and potential converts.

Don't dwell negatively on time wasted and opportunities missed while a JW. The strong, super person you have become, is a composite of everything you have learned and experienced in your life so far. If you had not been a JW, you would not be the same person you are today.

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PLEASE I WANT TO READ THESE TWO LETTERS ONLY. AND THEY ARE SEPTEMBER 7,2011 AND JANUARY 6,2012 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS

by COLLINS in

jw
friends

please don't forget me because i know all the elders who have access to the confidential area of jw.org and others in the forum always have answers to anyone's questions no matter who you are.. so please send me those two letters i requested for only.

and i need a simple link to those two letters only.

don't forsake me.

Incognito

Collins;

Why do you continue to YELL?