Posts by Incognito

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I need help understanding my moms decision!

by Holzy86 in

first of all i'm not a jahovas witness, my mother is.

i've asked my mother for some help over the weekend for my sons birthday, i understand jw do not celebrate birthdays.. every year i take my son out for a treat day, this year he has asked me if he can bring friends too so i said i only have enough room for one but he has asked for two, so i said i will ask nanny if she will help out to take my other son in her car with my netphew and older sister, but as soon as i mentioned it was for a birthday treat she refused to help me.. i just need to know if jahovahs witnesses will refuse to help family out when asking for help, i feel i've asked and made sure all the people she will be giving a lift to that it is not there birthday.

his birthday has just happened to have fallen on the weekend when we would have been taking him because he is at school monday to friday.

Incognito

If you really want her assistance, don't mention 'Birthday'.

By that, I was not implying that you should attempt to fool her but only that, she probably had no hesitation in helping you until you mentioned the word Birthday.

Many JWs are nice people with the best intentions. Most posters on this forum are not against JWs as individuals, as the majority of us were JWs for some time of our lives and many continue to have family who are JWs. We are mainly against the Watch Tower organization and its rules, policies and mind control it places on and demands of its members. JWs are misguided and blindly follow the organization, no matter what is demanded, whether reasonable or not. This is mainly why this religion is considered a cult.

JWs maintain they are not a cult as WT has presented an altered definition of what a cult is to its members, just as various scriptures have been altered in their bible to support WT interpretations.

As an ex Moonie, Steven Hassan has become an expert on cults and how they operate. He has written various books such as "Combatting Cult Mind Control" which I suggest you read before defending the JW religion.

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I need help understanding my moms decision!

by Holzy86 in

first of all i'm not a jahovas witness, my mother is.

i've asked my mother for some help over the weekend for my sons birthday, i understand jw do not celebrate birthdays.. every year i take my son out for a treat day, this year he has asked me if he can bring friends too so i said i only have enough room for one but he has asked for two, so i said i will ask nanny if she will help out to take my other son in her car with my netphew and older sister, but as soon as i mentioned it was for a birthday treat she refused to help me.. i just need to know if jahovahs witnesses will refuse to help family out when asking for help, i feel i've asked and made sure all the people she will be giving a lift to that it is not there birthday.

his birthday has just happened to have fallen on the weekend when we would have been taking him because he is at school monday to friday.

Incognito

In most JW's view, he hates (or at least is SAD) at anyone that is not a JW, not just you. This is why it is stated that he will destroy at Armageddon, anyone who is not a JW. JWs may not admit only JWs will survive, that is clearly the message from the platform.

As you claim to already know JWs do not celebrate birthdays, what did you expect would occur when you asked your mother to help out with anything to do with your son's birthday? While you may not consider a birthday treat as equal to a birthday party, a 'birthday treat' to a JW is a birthday celebration, regardless. If you really want her assistance, don't mention 'Birthday'.

It is not really his birth day as that would be the day he was actually born on, making that date each year after he was born, the anniversary date of his birth. As most JWs do not have any reservations celebrating a wedding anniversary, ask your mother if she would celebrate the anniversary of your children's birth. She will either probably say NO or she will need to do further research or ask the elders if that would be OK.

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I need help understanding my moms decision!

by Holzy86 in

first of all i'm not a jahovas witness, my mother is.

i've asked my mother for some help over the weekend for my sons birthday, i understand jw do not celebrate birthdays.. every year i take my son out for a treat day, this year he has asked me if he can bring friends too so i said i only have enough room for one but he has asked for two, so i said i will ask nanny if she will help out to take my other son in her car with my netphew and older sister, but as soon as i mentioned it was for a birthday treat she refused to help me.. i just need to know if jahovahs witnesses will refuse to help family out when asking for help, i feel i've asked and made sure all the people she will be giving a lift to that it is not there birthday.

his birthday has just happened to have fallen on the weekend when we would have been taking him because he is at school monday to friday.

Incognito

Something fishy here as confirmed by her last post. That is the typical inappropriate and rude actions of many active witnesses who post on here.

Although Jehovahs-Witness is clearly shown at the top of every forum page, the extreme misspelling 'jahovas witness' which I believe is only to imply she doesn't know much about JWs. She then states she had been attending the KH & BS. Someone with even a few 'studies' with JWs would have a basic understanding of their 'beliefs'. NO birthday celebrations, Christmas and blood are usually well known to non witnesses with even the most basic knowledge of JWs and especially someone with a close family member who has been an active witness for any length of time.

Most anyone who would have questions on their mother's decision to not help out because they mentioned a 'birthday treat', would first ask an explanation from their mother directly, not a bunch of strangers on an internet forum.

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What are some things JWs re-name to make themselves different than Christians?

by NikL in

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friends

jws re-name things so they seem like they are different than other religions.

(of course we know they are different but that's another story).

i was just thinking about those things where they are like most everyone else in christendom but the re-name it to seem different.. for example god forbid they have a church, it's a "kingdom hall".. they don't have pastors and deacons they have "elders" and "ministerial servants".. they don't have tithing but they will have family heads fill out a paper saying how much they can contribute on a monthly basis (not sure if there is a name for that...unless it's tithing.

Incognito

Baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit > Father, Son and Spirit Directed Earthly Organization

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What are some things JWs re-name to make themselves different than Christians?

by NikL in

jw
friends

jws re-name things so they seem like they are different than other religions.

(of course we know they are different but that's another story).

i was just thinking about those things where they are like most everyone else in christendom but the re-name it to seem different.. for example god forbid they have a church, it's a "kingdom hall".. they don't have pastors and deacons they have "elders" and "ministerial servants".. they don't have tithing but they will have family heads fill out a paper saying how much they can contribute on a monthly basis (not sure if there is a name for that...unless it's tithing.

Incognito

1) God's Grace > God's undeserved kindness

JWs do not understand this concept as they consider their 'works' (hours spent preaching) to be fundamental in whether they will be judged worthy of entering God's kingdom.

2) True Christian = Jehovah's Witness, not follower of Christ

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"Overlapping Generation" is a "Spiritual Generation" - a letter to the governing body

by jwleaks in

11 march 2017. dear governing body of jehovah's witnesses,.

could you please introduce the phrase "spiritual generation" to replace the phrase "overlapping generation".

it would save us all a lot of confusion.. an online search of your publications dating back to 2000 showed that this term has never been used.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q="spiritual+generation"&p=par.

Incognito

A "spiritual generation" would never end but go on into eternity. Problem solved for this generation of the governing, ... - jwleaks

Why even consider offering suggestions to assist them?

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New letter forces elders to finally show love to sinners

by poopie in

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friends

that desire not to be shunned whether or not they want to be jw again is not the point for some they just do not want to be shunned any more there are sick of being shunned it's disgusting.

no human should be treated like they do not exist it's eviil..

Incognito

Where is the letter? Is there a link?

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I need some advice please

by JaMu in

i am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.

most of the relationship has been long distance.

when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.

Incognito

Almost 5 years together, yet his parents and family only learned of you 2 months ago? WOW, there is a relationship with a future.

You state that you really do LOVE him but ... you come here expressing concern on how he treats you. How can you honestly say you love him? When a couple first start dating is typically when they are on their best behavior. If he's already treating you badly, what will he be like if the relationship continues?

I think you love the idea of a guy friend and have been putting-up with unacceptable behavior just to continue the pretense of a guy friend relationship.

As was previously implied, if he really wanted to be with you, he would move mountains to be with you every second possible.

I kinda like the suggestion of confronting (and even dumping) him at his KH.

edited to add: his parents will be looking at you as a potential convert which will be why their reaction was claimed to be not so negative. I suspect in reality, they reacted more strongly than was indicated to you.

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I need some advice please

by JaMu in

i am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.

most of the relationship has been long distance.

when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.

Incognito

You have received good advice but I suspect you may at first want to make excuses for his unacceptable behavior with lots of 'Yes, but...'. Don't. You deserve to be the primary focus and interest to your guyfriend, not someone constantly begging to be recognized.

Even if he promises to leave the religion for you, don't fall for it. There have been plenty that have done that, only to return later, after being shunned by their JW family or feeling guilty for having left. If he doesn't leave for recognizing the religion (cult) is a sham for himself, he is too likely to return. You can't lead him away.

If a relationship doesn't progress to marriage within ~1.5 years, it is likely not going to. In your case, you are fortunate that it didn't as you now have opportunity to find someone deserving of you, without having to divorce or the complexities children bring.

I suspect that if you're honest with yourself, you came to realize before posting here that the future of the relationship is doomed, but was hoping that someone here would assure you that it isn't.

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February 13, 2017 BOE Re: Memorial and Special Talk

by wifibandit in

february 13, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: memorial and special talk.

Incognito

Just as entertainers often tell their fans they LOVE them, it's more about loving the adoration, attention and money those fans provide.