Posts by Incognito

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Helping my husband wake up, need advice.

by Whynot in

my husband is dfed but he is a prime example of someone who was a puppet for the watchtower.

i was able to wake him a little with the sex abuse scandal.

he was an elder and is very familiar with those rules.

Incognito

Steven Hassan is a mental health counsellor who specialises in helping families of people involved in cults. Steven is an ex-Moonie.

He has written various books including "Combating Cult Mind Control" and "Releasing the Bonds". These books may be beneficial for you to read as opposed to your husband as they provide advice on dealing with a cult member and methods to help him to change his thought patterns and recognize matters as they really are.

Your husband will not consider anything to be wrong with his thinking or beliefs so he would likely be opposed and resist reading anything such as the book you gave him, that suggests there is something wrong with him or the JW religion.

To remove someone from a cult usually means working against the person's will. Unless your husband recognizes for himself the inconsistencies and wrongness of the religion, expect any success will be a long process that will sometimes involve two steps forward and three steps back.

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A&E - Cults and Extreme Belief - Jehovah's Witnesses

by Incognito in

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i haven't seen this posted.. tuesday may 29, 2018 @ 10pm (new york time zone).

cults and extreme belief - jehovah's witnesses.

Incognito

at no time would any CEO or company head of a massive corp be readily available just to chat with a walk-in without a formal appt.

Although I agree with you and previous posters regarding a CEO being unlikely to be available, a larger corp such as WT will typically have a PR or other official that could meet with and troubleshoot such a request. When a person is upset, they may ask for the top person when they often just want to speak with someone with authority, to hear and understand their concern. A security guard, receptionist, tour guide or junior clerk would not satisfy that request. Even if the person does not possess authority to deal with the specific concern, the complainant should feel satisfied and confident that their issue was received, treated seriously, and will be communicated to the appropriate person(s).

WT was shown to be unconcerned and uncaring to fellow JWs, not showing even common courtesy to at minimum, find out why she traveled there and wanted to meet. The gate guard had advised that someone would greet her if she waited in the 'holding' area indicated, but instead, two stuffed shirts sat in a vehicle and only observed her from a distance. They could have in the least, pulled their vehicle alongside her vehicle or had spoken to her through the fence. Even if they saw cameras, they could have agreed to speak on condition that cameras are not present. Instead, she sat waiting, looking at them watching her for almost 40 minutes until she finally accepted her request would not be fulfilled whereby she decided to leave.

While she and the program crew may have anticipated there would not be a meeting with a GB member, I doubt any of them expected WT's response being as poor and cold as it was.

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New name for Herd

by blownaway in

sam rolex

Incognito

shown a two-tone Rolex off the street that was only $185

What exactly does "off the street" mean? Is this another way of saying 'lifted' or 'five finger discount'?

There's a way the Rolex thieves can spot the authentic ones

Rolex design, develop and produce the entire watch including all parts. Their design and tight tolerances apparently do not produce a ticking sound as the others do so the lack of sound in a mechanical timepiece is one method to verify an authentic Rolex from a Faux-lex.

Tell-if-a-Rolex-Watch-is-Real-or-Fake

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Leaked videos - Why?

by NewYork44M in

thank you to those that have passed on "leaked" videos.

one point that i have not seen discussed is "why" apostates are getting these videos.. are videos getting out because of a lack of internal controls, or are there more than a few disloyal insiders that are more than happy to pass on inside information.

or, is there a strategic intent of releasing leaked videos?.

Incognito

They overinflate themselves, but the reality if that they are quite mediocre in everything they do.

Yet, WT has been so successful containing the paedophile files that various courts continue to demand access to. If WT's data security is so inept or at least mediocre, it's surprising someone hasn't successfully accessed and circulated even a portion of that database.

I believe "leaking" supposed inside information, is often employed by corporations of all types, as a means to build anticipation, excitement. or create buzz for the company or its products.

Consider that although Apple does not outwardly release specifications, designs or technology advancement plans for its next iPhone prior to an official release announcement, whenever there is an advance 'leak' regarding that info, the tech news world goes nuts wanting to be first to report leaked info, whether factual or not.

I think 'leaks' serve Apple well as someone considering a new phone prior to Apple's release announcement, may decide to delay the purchase of another brand, to at least confirm if the leaked iPhone info is actually true and further consider if the new iPhone might be worthwhile.

The WT 'leaks' we see on this forum, whether regarding WT finances or other matters, typically result in numerous long threads and plenty of speculation presented as fact. While info that is leaked may not be totally false, it may not be necessarily complete or may be worded in a way so a reader might be lead to conclude things that are not totally factual.

If I was WT and I have 'enemies' (Ex-JWs) that are like pit bulls, constantly examining everything I do and attempting to bite me in the butt, I might be inclined to throw them a meaty bone every so often so as to distract them and get them off my back.

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New name for Herd

by blownaway in

sam rolex

Incognito

Rolex remains an expensive brand which many people still consider as upscale and the people who wear them to have money. Consider the age of most GB members.

Even if the GB wear Rolex clones, they seem to wish to convey affluence and prestige which is a total contradiction to their instructions to r&f JW's to simplify and be happy with basics.

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I Think Their Is A Move Coming From Higher Ups To Get These Insane Idiot Out Of The Drivers Seat Of Jehovah's Chariot

by Brokeback Watchtower in

look at all the lawsuits, scandals, unsuccessful cover up, contribution shrinkage, stopped building project, and much more.

these guys are steering jehovah's chariot off a cliff if someone don't put the breaks on these delusional clowns.. so what do you think is there something a foot there at chemical dump clean up site warwick?

i bet you a coup is in the offing, because you know not everyone close to the governing body believes their bull shit but are playing along until the time is right to keep the wt ship from sinking like the titanic..

Incognito

The Governing Body has no direct connection to any of the legal corporations

Although none of the GB names may be shown in articles of incorporation or as executives for any of the corporations, that does not signify the GB don't control the operations of those corporations through the 'yes men' they have appointed to be the public face for those corporations.

I suspect the GB rely heavily on the legal and accounting departments for advice when making corporate decisions. That would include methods to insulate themselves from liability for decisions they make as a group or individually.

Deny, deny, deny, just as G. Jackson did while testifying at the ARC.

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Question about JW finance

by Gorbatchov in

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watched the jw finance video's.. they have sold all brooklyn landmarks.

bilions.

they are selling other property maybe up to 3000 units worldwide.. so, there is going something wrong.... there must be a giant money leak.

Incognito

In reality, none of us know the number or names of associated corporations the WT may operate or are associated with. Even if WT did make an annual audited financial statement available for public viewing, I suspect that would not reveal its entire financial position.

If WT assigned trusted specific elders to independently register and manage various charities with no recognizable link to itself, then funds may be donated on an ongoing basis from one charitable organization to another. After funds are donated, the donating organization can claim those funds are a charitable expense even as those funds remain within another associated charity.

I suspect WT mandated suppliers who charge substantially higher than market rate, are companies likely owned by JWs who agree to donate all premiums charged to a WT associated charity whereby the donating company will receive a tax receipt for its donation. Not only would the supplier reduce its taxable income, WT then would also indirectly receive a share of all mandated products and services purchased from those suppliers.

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LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

by Fay Dehr in

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

Incognito

They get a tax REBATE back from the UK Governement (20%) for doing it!

To receive a REBATE, would imply first paying tax. Since WT is a tax exempt charity and a religious organization, I suspect ongoing donations to other charitable organizations is likely one means to maintain tax-exempt charitable status.

It would be interesting to know the other charities WT donates to as well as their backgrounds. One site I read some time ago, suggested WT appoints trusted elders independent from WT, to register and administer charitable organizations, with no traceable link to WT. By donating to those charities, WT is essentially donating to itself. To continue to qualify as a charity, those charities then donate to each other.

A second method for appearing to reduce WT assets was mentioned. When the entire organization, often including individual congregations, purchase supplies and services from specific suppliers required by WT, we would usually expect substantial cost savings would be realized. It seems in WT's case, prices paid are often substantially higher even as the supply companies are often owned by JW's. Are these JW owned suppliers then forced to provide tax exempt donations of any overage to other charities owned at arms length by WT?

I recall a prior thread on this forum where at least one example was detailed, where WT donated a substantial sum to one specific congregation for an unspecified purpose. The congregation as a whole was not aware of any such donation and the donation was not reported in the congregation's financial report. It seems only few congregation elders were aware of the 'donation', deposited to a new separate bank account in the congregation's name, but not to be touched as the funds belong to and are held for WT.

Once funds are paid to a charity, potential creditors including courts of law can no longer claim those funds are WT assets in which to collect a judgement against.

It would be interesting if forum members who are professional accountants, will comment if these techniques would actually work to reduce WT assets, regardless of legalities.

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LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

by Fay Dehr in

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

Incognito

Morpheus, I agree with much of which you state. The OP claims 'insiders' want this info leaked, but to who and for what purpose? DoC offers one hypothesis.

Some here are quick to react and say these videos are proof of serious financial problems. I don't buy it.

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LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

by Fay Dehr in

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

Incognito

Portraying cutbacks as expansion ... does this mean when they claim there is lack of funds, there really is an excess of funds? For a religion that claims to be 'The Truth', many of their words seem designed to misrepresent or hide truth.

Who are these inside people that want this information leaked and who do they anticipate they are leaking it to? Could these videos be purposely 'leaked' in an attempt to contradict anyone doubting WTs claims that more ongoing donations are essential?