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  Deflated after realising my inactive friends are POMI

  by Isambard Crater in

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  2. friends

  i'm going through an extremely hard and dark time right now and really yearned for the support of people i know in the flesh, and i really thought revealing my serious doubts and frustrations to a few close friends who became inactive several years ago would help.

  they attend the memorial and no more than 2 sunday meetings each year, and haven't preached for several years, so are still technically baptised-but-inactive.. it broke my heart or at least left me feeling very alone when they all (they don't know each other and live in separate areas) told me that they can sympathise but reckon i should stay with "the truth" (their words, still) as it's the best thing there is.

  it's like i'd discovered a new group of people, not pimo (physically in, mentally out, like me) but pomi (physically out, mentally in).

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  people I knew who were not very moral or spiritual but still considered themselves JW's of some form or other. - Giordano
  

  Do you ever consider how those people would act if they did not consider themselves to be JWs whatsoever?
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  Spoke To Two Sisters At A Witnessing Cart Today

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as the title says, i spoke to two sisters at a witnessing cart today.

  i didnt approach them, as circumstances would have it i was out in liverpool city center with my 3yo and she was carrying a teddy and a balloon.

  she caught the balloon on something sharp and it popped and so she started crying.

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  Perhaps the local congregation located where you met them, was abolished and the members reassigned to various surrounding congregations.

  Maybe the Golbourne congregation territory now includes that area of Liverpool as well as Preston.
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  If an elder decides he wants to report child molestation to police.

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  can he be sued for violating clergy pertinent privilege by the person that confesses to him?.

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  To my understanding, a religious confession could be heard by several people and still be considered confidential (privileged) if they all are present and known by the confessor to be present before the confession is made. If any of those people then revealed any matter of the confession without the confessor's consent to anyone not present, that person would then be breaching confidentiality.

  I expect clergy penitent privilege is not intended to benefit clergy or the church but intended to benefit and protect the confidentiality, reputation and public standing of the confessor in matters of religious sin. Lines are blurred due to clergy confidentiality with regards a confession to religious sin vs a confession to having committed a crime.

  I expect the courts will eventually be required to rule on and clarify these matters. Perhaps this will become one of the recommendations of the ARC whose recommendations hopefully will be noted and respected by other nations beyond Australia.
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  If an elder decides he wants to report child molestation to police.

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can he be sued for violating clergy pertinent privilege by the person that confesses to him?.

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  The only 'authority' religious clergy have is in regards to sin, not crime.

  For it to be a 'confession', it would appear that it would need to be the person who had done the wrong (abuser), confessing his/her sins to the elder.

  As the abused party has committed no sin in being abused, would it then be considered a religious confession if the abused party reported to an elder of having been abused?

  To uphold and respect 'clergy penitent privilege' and 'confidentiality of confession', matters of confession would need to remain confidential between the confessor and the hearer of the confession. The hearer (elder) could not discuss the confession with another elder unless another elder was present to hear the confession and known by the confessor to be present before giving the confession.

  To my understanding, WT's claim to clergy penitent privilege has been ruled inadmissible during some proceedings, due to an elder hearing a claimed 'confession', then sharing the matter with other elders not present when the confession was given.
  
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  Confused trying to understand JW GF or soon to be EX

  by James87 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i dont know where to start so why not at the beginning.

  i was seeing this girl and we hit it off great chemistry.

  it went from a physical to a deeper relationship.

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  Not just a sucker but actually enjoys the excitement of being treated in an abusive manner.
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  Voting

  by confused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys,.

  i have been told that a while ago there was a watchtower article that said that voting, (i'm in uk) is down to individual conscience.

  i always thought it was a judicial matter.

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  While voting had been a DF'g offense, there are some countries that put pressure or opposition on WT for penalizing members for voting when voting is an expectation for that country's citizens. WT then declared voting to be a conscience matter, but as DOC stated, a JW having voted, is considered to have disassociated by his/her actions, similar to agreeing to and receiving a blood transfusion or enlisting in the military.

  Whether Disfellowshiped or Disassociated, the resulting treatment is the same so that is a distinction without a difference.
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  Number of Comments per Page Selection not Visible

  by Village Idiot in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  i can no longer see the number of comments per page option that lets you decide between 10 or 20 posts per page.

  i automatically get 10 comments per page whichever thread i'm on.

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  • Finding a particular post shouldn't rely on remembering which page it was on.
    

  As a suggestion, a method to flag threads that we may wish to return to (a watched thread icon) or alternatively, a 'favorites' list, similar to web bookmarks.

  There also could be an icon to indicate which threads we have participated in.

  I too preferred 20 comments per page so I'm finding 10pp to be somewhat 'frustrating', for lack of a better word.
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  Do You Miss The "Red Dot"?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  lol ...if you are new here, you might not understand the question..

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  Yes. Actually this is something I had thought about yesterday.

  The Red Dot was Minimus' identifying 'logo' and your posts could be easily spotted and identified from the crowd.

  Some of us may have certain posters whose threads we may prefer to concentrate on prior to reviewing other topics. When a poster's icon is changed, that poster can loose some of their identity and their posts may not be as obvious.
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  Confused trying to understand JW GF or soon to be EX

  by James87 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i dont know where to start so why not at the beginning.

  i was seeing this girl and we hit it off great chemistry.

  it went from a physical to a deeper relationship.

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  The purpose of dating is so each person can get to know who the other person really is.

  Many of us wear a mask, especially when first meeting someone we are interested in and want to impress. While you may have thought you got to know the real her long ago, it seems it took 2 years for her to reveal her other personality, the cult personality.

  Right now, you don't seem to care much for her other personality, so are you prepared to live with that personality for the remainder of your life? If not, the time invested in the relationship was not wasted or a failure but is the price paid before proceeding on to the relationship's next stage, to help ensure you both haven't chosen the wrong person to commit to and share the remainder of your life with.
  
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  Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  high court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.

  the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.

  a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".

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  Sanderson as the chair of this committee, 3 other GB members, and at least 12 helpers in attendance.
  

  What a giant waste of time, MANpower & energy. I suspect the main function of the 'helpers' is to stroke the egos of the GB members by nodding their heads and agreeing with anything that spews from their mouths.