Posts by Incognito

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Verify: latest elder book

by Gorbatchov in

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for research i want to verify this:.

- has the latest version of the elder book (recent) a new text about child abuse and put aside the 2 witness rule in these cases?.

need to clarify.. g..

To my understanding, for the elders to proceed to contact WT legal dept for direction on what to do, there needs to be 2 witnesses to the same act, OR at least 2 separate acts involving 2 separate victims who each accuse the same person, OR there needs to be an admission from the accused.

If only one victim makes an accusation against another JW, the elder's 'investigation' likely amounts to meeting with the accused and asking if he/she did the thing they are being accused of doing. If the answer is 'No', then the matter is dropped and the accuser is warned not to mention it further.

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a question after my first JW meeting

by bleak in

i attended my first jw meeting recently.

first, i would like to say what i agree with about the jehovah's witnesses beliefs and practices.. 1. they don't consider israeli's as "god's chosen people" and they don't worship israel as some holy land filled with righteous jews (although there are some there) as most so-called "christians" (christian zionists) erroneously believe they are instead of the "hypocrites" and "vipers" that it is actually filled with.. 2. they don't celebrate "holidays" like easter and christmas which are, in fact, remnants of earlier pagan practices.. 3. they don't put nation before god and christ.

they don't believe in war or going to war because of some crazy government/cia secret agenda.

Incognito

Bleak,

Welcome! Glad to see you are looking at the religion with open eyes, and investigating from different angles. Research and knowledge is good but JWs try to discourage that and claim the only research (study) needing to be done and knowledge required is from using WatchTower literature.

You mention about JWs knowing their bible. You had it right in saying 'their' Bible as it is unique in subtle ways from other bibles. There is actually more focus placed on WT literature than the bible, with out of context scriptures often referenced to support the interpretation. WT literature is how the interpretation of the bible is conveyed. All JWs are expected to understand and believe the same way. Independent thinking and viewpoints are not tolerated.

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What would you say?

by Freedom rocks in

if you had 2 minutes with an old witness friend or with a family member to convince them the 'truth' is a lie and the gb isnt being directed by god what would you say to get their attention that might make them question their beliefs?.

Incognito

Although this doesn't address the OP's question, I consider this is related to the topic.

In addition to other control tactics, another thing that was 'instilled' in us as JWs, is a belief we are responsible for changing other people's religion and beliefs.

As JWs, we were convinced to preach to others to convert them to become JWs as 'the truth' to save them. We were warned we would be held blood-guilty by God if we didn't participate in that 'life-saving' work.

As we find it unwelcome when JWs attempt to preach and attempt to get us to return to the religion, likewise JWs reject attempts to influence them to change their beliefs.

Now as exJWs, it seems we often feel it is our duty to convert JWs into becoming exJWs. If they are happy in what they believe, should we then allow them to practice their beliefs as they wish?

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JW Podcast

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

anyone know if there is some problem with jw podcast?

their website is giving me a 404 not found error.. sf.

Incognito

They seemed to have stopped producing those programs almost 1 year ago. As each program was also posted to youtube, I suspect the creators abandoned the podbean site.

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What would you say?

by Freedom rocks in

if you had 2 minutes with an old witness friend or with a family member to convince them the 'truth' is a lie and the gb isnt being directed by god what would you say to get their attention that might make them question their beliefs?.

Incognito

The best would be to offer to be supportive and a hearing ear IF they ever want to talk ... about anything.

WT has well programmed JWs to ignore their doubts and reject negative info regarding the religion, but simply put faith that God chose this organization and GB as his earthly representatives. Even if what is taught doesn't make sense or is opposite to what was taught a short time ago, the GB attribute that to increased understanding as supported by God's arrangement. Any opposition to this is equated to opposition to God and 'the truth'.

Although you may want to wake JWs up to the real truth about the org, until a JW comes to the realization there is something wrong and starts to question matters for his or her self, there is nothing you can say that will force them to accept what you say and any attempt will cause them to turn against you.

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Snake In My Fridge

by finallysomepride in

i just now went to get meat from my fridge to cook, took the meat out & shut the door as i shut the door i thought i saw a piece of rope in the six pack i had just opened & had removed 2 cans, already drunk 1.. open the door again & there i saw what i thought was a piece of rope, but i look a bit closer ...... shit it's a friggin snake, bugger i had only just taken two cans out wtf.. .

Incognito

that was satan incognito come to have a chat wiff you - atomant

How'd you know my first name is Satan!

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Thanks For being helpful

by Jrjw in

to the person who reported me to the elders from here - thank you for making me be able to leave the organisation a whole lot easier and sooner than i'd planned.

you did me a huge favour 😊.

Incognito

Too bad that you were outed but in all fairness, you did leave enough breadcrumbs that wouldn't be difficult to follow, especially for JWs in your area.

Unless you provided untrue information, not only did you reveal the general area where you lived previously, but also the area you relocated to as well as the moving date and background of your new landlord. You discussed the ages and genders of your children, your own age and the status and background of your marriage, your husband's relationship history and when you first became a JW.

Remember, this is a public forum which anyone can easily register an account to access restricted areas, even if they don't plan to ever post.

It's great that being outed works-out for you and your children.

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Cart Witnessing Is Getting People Baptzed!!!🐑🐑

by minimus in

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friends

recently i talked to an elder about this type of witnessing.

i’ve known him for many years and he is a very honest upright man.

he marveled at how many people have become baptized in the last couple of years because of cart witnessing.

Incognito

I know this guy and he isn’t a liar. - minimus

Probably more a matter of perspective.

I suspect there is are at least a few people who first become interested from obtaining literature from a cart, who move forward to studying or becoming full JWs. If the carts didn't have any success, then why keep doing it? It would be an un-motivator if JWs attending the carts never see anything positive for their efforts.

Other causes for congregation attendance growth include locations which offer benefits such as nearby jobs, new development, ease of transportation, reasonable living costs or activities for retirees, thereby causing outsiders to relocate there including JWs from other areas.

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ARC Information pack received in relation to my help, assistance, evidence and testimony

by jwleaks in

this was sent to me by the arc for assisting and providing evidence and testimony in relation to jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower bible & tract society of australia, terrence o'brien, vincent toole, and geoffrey jackson of the governing body.. photo 1. a thank you letter, final report, summary brochures of the entire arc, every single case study and related document on a usb memory stick.. photo 2. close up of official arc usb memory stick with every single case study every single report and all the documents used.. photo 3. this arrived last year.

case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses.

i sent this official hardcopy to barbara anderson as a gift for all her hard work.. .

Incognito

there were 1006 instances of child abuse reported to them

It is not 1006 instances (victims), but 1006 perpetrators. The number of victims is actually specified as 1730.

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I've Disassociated. It's getting announced tomorrow.

by Heathen Dan in

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friends

this is my first post to this site, im pale.emperor's brother:).

first of all, i've left being a jw in june.

since then my family have tried to convince me it's "the truth" and force me to go back even though it's my own decision.

Incognito

Hi Dan,

Welcome to the forum.

Don't worry about the guy suing you. Talk is cheap and people often make ridiculous statements especially when they don't know what they are talking about.

Since your carer resigned, he has no grounds to say you terminated him. Where is his proof? Did he resign in writing? Even if he consults a lawyer, a lawyer with even basic knowledge would advise, he has no grounds for action.

How much notice did the carer provide before he stopped working for you? I don't know if there are minimum requirements in the UK but if notice wasn't sufficient, if anything, you might have grounds for action against him.

Enjoy your new life!