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  The Reasons for Cart Witnessing

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  whatever we think of it, you have to admit that it's quite "genius".. the door to door ministry as done in western developed countries where the jw quirky religion has probably reached their saturation level was a complete and utter waste of time in terms of the effort expended to recruit people.. at the same time, it was rarely something that anyone enjoyed which led to people being labelled as inactive, being pressured to doing more and maybe ultimately deciding jwism wasn't for them and leaving.. there was also the issue that many jws are actually pretty bad at knowing and articulating their beliefs so were pretty incapable of getting any meaningful message across.. they solved all this with the cart witnessing.

  the real point isn't to recruit, it's to make life easier for jws.

  now they can stand and chat with their friend, have a coffee, not talk to anyone or make eye contact and still act as a walking billboard for jw.org.

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  Carts also seem to be another control tactic. There are only some who are permitted to do cart work whereas other 'publishers' must go D2D to get their time. Not sure what a JW must do to qualify for cart work.

  It seems the carts also make it easier to extend the day in ministry. Since JWs can sit and drink coffee, eat and talk to each other close to where the cart is set up, there then is no need to take a break elsewhere such as a coffee shop or restaurant.

  I've observed JWs with carts outside ice arenas and other public venues, late in the afternoon, beyond the time when publishers would usually be out knocking on doors. What I found odd though, just as increasing numbers of parents were arriving with their children to skate or play hockey, the JWs would quickly pack up and depart.
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  All the culty name that were used instead of JWs

  by kairos in

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  2. friends

  the truththe society.

  the friends...you remember.

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  Some other names/titles used by JWs:

  Pioneer
  

  Publisher - the publishers only seem to publish hour and distribution reports

  Mother

  'The Slave' - why would anyone listen to and follow the utterings of a slave?

  Guardians of Doctrine - how blatant is that?
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  Should I be with someone who's had lots of pervious partners?

  by Jxvi in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  thanks for reading (i'm sorry this is a little bit of a sensitive topic, though i'll try to be gentle.).

  a little back story.

  i have been working so hard to build my faith this year, and i am finally at the point where i am beginning to trust god and i want to build an unbreakable relationship with him.

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  Welcome Jxvi,

  I am almost certainly falling in love with my best friend
  

  That statement does not sound certain.

  If you truly love her, her past should be in the past and will not matter as she is with only you now.

  You refer to her past as 'mistakes'. Does she consider her past as mistakes or are you projecting your values on how you expect she should feel?

  Instead of being concerned with how you can deal with her past, if you truly love and cherish her, should cause you to question how you can measure-up to be the best partner she could ever want and deserves.
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  Blood Transfusion Permitted

  by Nevuela in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i just overheard an anointed acquaintance on the phone with a friend of hers who has just had surgery for cervical cancer.

  among the snippets of dialogue i heard on my end of the line, these ones stood out:.

  "you lost a lot of blood?

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  The GB wanted all the leadership for themselves claiming to the the FDS so that there wouldn't be any question about whose opinion counts as "doctrine". - Oppostate
  

  To clarify, this change was actually more a means to protect WT assets.

  WT's lawyer was forced to testify to the Judge in an Australian court of law, the FDS class is only a theological arrangement. IOW, the FDS class does not actually exist.

  It was only after this that WT teachings were changed so that any claiming to be anointed, are no longer immediately included within the FDS, only the GB is.

  The GB also changed their doctrine to have not yet inherited Christ's belongings but will inherit them once the Great Tribulation commences.

  For additional info and clarification on this, the link below is to Louise Goode and Laura Kaput's JW Community Podcast episode S06E17 'How the Faithful and Discreet Slave were killed' where they interview Steven Unthank.

  Steven Unthank interview - Sept 2018
  
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  How many are PIMO ??

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know we cannot answer this, how many are physically in, mentally out (pimo), but i heard an amazing piece of news the other day.. an ex-p.o and ex-elder, a long time regular pioneer, and when i knew him a stalwart believer, went for a drink with another jw who has actually left, but is not df or anything.. in the course of conversation he came out with this bombshell "well, i am actually an atheist now, i just go along to keep my wife happy".. i also heard of a number of youngsters that i know personally who are simply living their life as they want, whilst making sure they don't get df'd for family and social reasons.. if as it seems the pimo's are a huge number, could there be a huge " awakening" where they all realize they are in a huge group, and they all say " eff it, lets call it a day on all the jw s**t ".

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  wishful thinking, but.....just possible ?.

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  I have read speculation that 50% of attendees are PIMO. I think that percentage is overly optimistic but suspect there is a substantial portion who do not consider themselves as PIMO but recognize things are not as WT claims. Many might feel that God is watching and will punish them if they investigate the religion independent of WT. There are likely others who know WT is wrong about many things, but continue to think, "What if WT has it right overall?".

  WT are masters at programming it's members to doubt and second guess their own thoughts and and opinions, instead programming them to rely on WT to tell them what to do and how to think.
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  I Saw An Elder Yesterday Who Told Me 3 Area Kingdom Halls Were Being Dissolved

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he said they read the letter to the congregation and were told the kh would be disbanded.

  2 other halls in the area were slated for closure.

  he said many people in the congregation began crying.

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  Nice guy but head is up in the clouds!
  

  It's not the clouds where his head is at.
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  Something fishy

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ok so just thinking it over here.

  in the recent montana lawsuit wt had to show their net worth.

  it came in at like 1.6 billion i think.

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  When you say WT had to report their net worth of $1.6B, that was only 1 corporation, I don't recall which, I think maybe WTBTS of NY. I recall the Christian Cong of JW was an additional $500M.

  Other WT corporations such as WTBTS of Pennsylvania were not named in the action so those values were not reported.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses always assume that I'm an inactive JW because I couldn't follow their rules

  by Not_Culty in

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  In an indoctrinated JW's mind, there can never be anything wrong with the religion or organization. As such, they can only speculate and accept the reason you are not attending is, there is something wrong with you or that you are too touchy and easily stumbled.
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  Question regarding WT policy of divorce in the Philippines

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was told the other day by a philippino work colleague, that to obtain a legal divorce in the philippines is so drawn out and expensive, that it can put it beyond the reach of most people.

  most don’t even bother getting one.

  so my question is what is the situation with jw who are in reality separated /divorced but in practical terms can’t legally finalise it..

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  Even when there has been a legal divorce, JWs consider the couple to continue remaining married.

  In the JW religion, the only valid reason for divorce is adultery. Unless one spouse has committed adultery, neither can pursue a romantic relationship with another person.
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  New releases at annual meeting??

  by _Morpheus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this has been mentioned in passing but it seems to deserve its own thread.. this year at the rc, no releases.

  instead they wait to drop them at the annual meeting which isnt a even simulcast event.

  what is their thinking?

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  Maybe the AGM release announcement is a trial balloon.

  Did the AGM attendees actually receive a new release or was a new publication only announced?

  Similar to Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Google etc do for all new product announcements, WT could impliment an annual event to announce new publications and 'Nu Light', broadcast world wide at one time.

  As mentioned, RCs take place over numerous months, resulting in some JWs (and XJWs) obtaining info and publications well in advance of JWs in other areas. A worldwide announcement could reduce suspicion that information some possess in advance of others, was not issued by WT but was 'made-up' by 'Apostates' in particular.