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  May 2019 child abuse WT

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the new study edition watchtower is up, and most of it is devoted to child abuse damage control.. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/.

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  13 Do elders comply with secular laws about reporting an allegation of child abuse to the secular authorities? Yes. In places where such laws exist, elders endeavour to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse.
  

  While WT makes the claim that reporting does occur where required by law, evidence does not support reporting always ocurs. Pennsylvania USA is a mandatory reporting state yet the Pen court case WT lost a few years ago proved that matter was not reported.

  Australia does have mandatory reporting states yet out of the 1800+ cases revealed to the CARC, 0 cases were reported even as it could be assumed that at least one case occurred within a mandatory reporting area.
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  How to sue the WT over shunning policy. It CAN happen!

  by Bad_Wolf in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a very good document from a law school exploring religious freedom vs an individuals right to religious freedom without blackmail, pressure, etc, and also explores why certain lawsuits did not win and what it would take to win them.

  https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=3827&context=penn_law_review.

  a person born in, and whose parents or family pressured to shun because they simply left the religion, who has evidence of damages, etc, would likely have a good case if they find a good lawyer.

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  WT play matters both ways to its benefit. Just as WT often claims clergy privilege in court, the required actions of its representatives do not support those claims which the courts have now started to recognize.

  While elders may need to be re-appointed as such when they change congregations, a person who is DF'd in one congregation remains such if they relocate or even visit any other congregation regardless of location.

  Actually, WT will sometimes assign an elder(s) from other congregations to a congregation that is experiencing problems. As such, those assigned elders remain such and do not need to be re-appointed.

  If the organization was truly organized congregationally, each would choose its own elders without further approval from WT, and each congregation's elder body would be free to make decisions without authorization or fear of penalty from WT.

  Congregation elders are not free to make decisions but are mandated to follow the policies and procedures of the WT organization (or other corporate entity ie: CC), thereby acting as that organization's agent. If elders do not do so, they risk censure, removal from their position or being removed from the religion through DF'ing.
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  Cart witnessing

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if anyone has posted this before but it's just been put on youtube so i guess it's okay to show you??

  if not, please delete it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdusnlvjm-k.

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  what in the hell has this religion come to?
  

  Not the religion I was raised in, that's for sure.

  So, are JW women are now permitted to wear pants while doing 'Theocratic' activities? (2nd video - Holley Abrams)

  
  
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  All Watchtower Brooklyn sales in 37 NYC doc pages + spreadsheet

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have compiled 32 real property transfer reports (“reports”) and 5 recording and endorsement cover pages (“cover pages”) that are ny city public records and available online on a836-acris.nyc.gov site.

  37 pages, 38 properties, $2.2bn, one society... enjoy: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ryaj_4ihgs1uoyeptkbzdbmw9rd12dmf/view?usp=sharing.

  see also spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1acdsqfusm5mi2zatfn87ksxmvrdzh0wfxg9nlomdszw/edit?usp=sharing.

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  the sources seem to be in conflict, with one (the Patch) saying that the 30 Front St. property just sold was their last holding, and another (YIMBY) reporting that "The Witnesses still own two small properties at 80 and 86 Willow Street."
  

  JW's like to when possible, rely on technicalities when denying or confirming an accusation - IF a response is actually offered.

  While those two Willow Street properties may be located closeby to the former WT Headquarters, perhaps they are not considered or identified as part of the 'headquarters' properties the Patch article is written about.
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  Two for One offer. You get one for the price of two!

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  did anyone else fall for this one?

  i did pre-assembly work in my home town, this was obviously voluntary unpaid work.

  i continued to do part-time work helping to support my mom who has been recently abandoned by my elder dad,.

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  So, to continue to qualify as a pioneer you had to do 2 hours for every pioneer hour you missed.
  

  Where is the Bible example for this requirement?

  As we kept track of our own time, we could have reported anything we wanted and no one would have known the difference. Of course, WT has developed a method to ensure we acted in the manner they demand as they conditioned us to believe, Jehovah, similar to Santa Claus, sees all and knows when we've been good and bad, naughty and nice.

  As believers who volunteer their time and are told they are a brotherhood with all 'brothers' as equals in the eyes of God, why does anyone need to 'qualify' for a title 'Pioneer'? The title only seems to elevate the person above the brotherhood while placing burdon and stress on the volunteer to ensure they report enough hours this month, so as to continue to qualify to keep the title next month.

  SinceJehovah is supposedly satisfied with the efforts freely given by each individual, and since we are to believe preaching is a noble requirement which we are to perform, why then worry about holding a title?
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  JW Phrases

  by Holden Caufield in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what some jw phrases that you hate?.

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  Rendezous

  'The Slave'

  'The Body'

  'The Committee'

  'Information Board' - not Bulletin or Notice board

  Worldly & Spiritual

  'Fleshly' brother or sister

  'Bible Study' when it is not the Bible that is being studied.

  'In the Truth' - how long have you been in the truth?

  Return Visit (not 'Back Call' as in the past)

  'The Field'

  'The Head' as in the man

  Subjection

  'Hours' or 'Time' - ie: Did you submit your time? How many hours did you get last month?

  Irregular

  Self Abuse
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  The Reasons for Cart Witnessing

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  whatever we think of it, you have to admit that it's quite "genius".. the door to door ministry as done in western developed countries where the jw quirky religion has probably reached their saturation level was a complete and utter waste of time in terms of the effort expended to recruit people.. at the same time, it was rarely something that anyone enjoyed which led to people being labelled as inactive, being pressured to doing more and maybe ultimately deciding jwism wasn't for them and leaving.. there was also the issue that many jws are actually pretty bad at knowing and articulating their beliefs so were pretty incapable of getting any meaningful message across.. they solved all this with the cart witnessing.

  the real point isn't to recruit, it's to make life easier for jws.

  now they can stand and chat with their friend, have a coffee, not talk to anyone or make eye contact and still act as a walking billboard for jw.org.

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  Carts also seem to be another control tactic. There are only some who are permitted to do cart work whereas other 'publishers' must go D2D to get their time. Not sure what a JW must do to qualify for cart work.

  It seems the carts also make it easier to extend the day in ministry. Since JWs can sit and drink coffee, eat and talk to each other close to where the cart is set up, there then is no need to take a break elsewhere such as a coffee shop or restaurant.

  I've observed JWs with carts outside ice arenas and other public venues, late in the afternoon, beyond the time when publishers would usually be out knocking on doors. What I found odd though, just as increasing numbers of parents were arriving with their children to skate or play hockey, the JWs would quickly pack up and depart.
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  All the culty name that were used instead of JWs

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the truththe society.

  the friends...you remember.

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  Some other names/titles used by JWs:

  Pioneer
  

  Publisher - the publishers only seem to publish hour and distribution reports

  Mother

  'The Slave' - why would anyone listen to and follow the utterings of a slave?

  Guardians of Doctrine - how blatant is that?
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  Should I be with someone who's had lots of pervious partners?

  by Jxvi in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  thanks for reading (i'm sorry this is a little bit of a sensitive topic, though i'll try to be gentle.).

  a little back story.

  i have been working so hard to build my faith this year, and i am finally at the point where i am beginning to trust god and i want to build an unbreakable relationship with him.

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  Welcome Jxvi,

  I am almost certainly falling in love with my best friend
  

  That statement does not sound certain.

  If you truly love her, her past should be in the past and will not matter as she is with only you now.

  You refer to her past as 'mistakes'. Does she consider her past as mistakes or are you projecting your values on how you expect she should feel?

  Instead of being concerned with how you can deal with her past, if you truly love and cherish her, should cause you to question how you can measure-up to be the best partner she could ever want and deserves.
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  Blood Transfusion Permitted

  by Nevuela in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i just overheard an anointed acquaintance on the phone with a friend of hers who has just had surgery for cervical cancer.

  among the snippets of dialogue i heard on my end of the line, these ones stood out:.

  "you lost a lot of blood?

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  The GB wanted all the leadership for themselves claiming to the the FDS so that there wouldn't be any question about whose opinion counts as "doctrine". - Oppostate
  

  To clarify, this change was actually more a means to protect WT assets.

  WT's lawyer was forced to testify to the Judge in an Australian court of law, the FDS class is only a theological arrangement. IOW, the FDS class does not actually exist.

  It was only after this that WT teachings were changed so that any claiming to be anointed, are no longer immediately included within the FDS, only the GB is.

  The GB also changed their doctrine to have not yet inherited Christ's belongings but will inherit them once the Great Tribulation commences.

  For additional info and clarification on this, the link below is to Louise Goode and Laura Kaput's JW Community Podcast episode S06E17 'How the Faithful and Discreet Slave were killed' where they interview Steven Unthank.

  Steven Unthank interview - Sept 2018