Posts by Incognito

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My JW boyfriend broke up with me

by DrunkinLove in

i am so crushed right now.

i have been dating a witness for over a year now.

we love each other so much.

Incognito

I feel guilty at the same time because i am the reason his family hates him right now and they even let the elders know.

He chose to start a relationship with you, a non-JW. As a JW, he knew full well the consequences of a 'worldly' relationship. You are not the reason for his problems.

He is 29 but acting as a child, continuing to allow his family to control every step of his life that he doesn't keep hidden from them. It appears to be acceptable to him that his sister took access to his phone and read through his private messages. And it is now acceptable to him to break off with you because his family found out and told him to break-it-off?

If you can't contact him, does that mean they placed him on a type of 'curfew' and he lost his phone privileges?

You both are adults but act like children who must meet in secret and do everything his mommy and daddy require. Your understanding and easy acceptance of this situation has not helped the relationship.

When a couple is truly in love, almost nothing can separate them. There seems to be no indication that he has fought to keep his relationship with you but he (and you) appears to have accepted breaking-off with little or no effort to keep it alive.

In entering the relationship with your eyes open and accepting the unusual conditions required, how long did you realistically expect the relationship would last?

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How many hours of field service are now required?

by new boy in

jw
friends

to be a publisher?.

an auxiliary pioneer?.

an regular pioneer?.

Incognito

I already know it takes 13,880 hours of field service to make one new convert.

To correct this, it takes 13,880 REPORTED HOURS to make one convert. Just because hours are reported, does not mean that time was truly spent in Field Service or anything related to preaching.

Consider the number that report significantly more time than they actually spend in service, then justify it by reasoning they must have spoken incidentally about Jehovah on numerous occasions through the month.

Then there are those that start their time by calling on a return visit nearby to where the service group meets, then drive 45 minutes+ to the farthest edge of a rural territory, make 1 or 2 calls, stop for coffee, drive back to near the group meeting location, make one more return visit to conclude their time before heading home. Probably 3 hours service time counted by each occupant in the vehicle while calling on 4 homes.

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"I don't want to hear any negative comments about the truth"

by days of future passed in

today the "anointed" sister that drops off tracts at my house, did a little i'll just stop by and show her a website about furniture and then offer the memorial tract visit.. her exhusband is a jw that did terrible things to her by taking property, didn't want to pay adequate child support and had the elders on his side.

she was telling me all about how, because he felt so guilty, now he had intestinal problems.

eventually the conversation ended and she offered the memorial tract to me.. "did you get an invitation?

Incognito

... and prays to Jehovah to take care of things. (my brother in law, sister, their children and me left)

Perhaps an appropriate reply could be: As JWs, we are always taught to pray to Jehovah for help. After my sister, BIL and I each prayed to Jehovah for TRUTH, Jehovah helped us to recognize he does not approve the WT organization and he helped each of us to leave the JW religion.

What can she say? Satan responded to your prayers?

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Sad stats Willoughby ohio ass hall

by nowwhat? in

just a little fyi 900 attendance.

2 kids baptised and $12000.00 in the hole.

( not my assembly).

Incognito

explained to the audience that these funds were for other areas less fortunate and not a direct cost reflection of our assembly.
I actually appreciated the transparency...

True transparency would involve providing a detailed accounts report for all actual costs pertaining to that weekend circuit assembly.

Charity collection for other areas and for WT is not an expense to holding that assembly and should not be disguised as such.

If funds are to be collected for charity purposes, then attendees should be able to choose if they wish to donate to those causes independent from any funds given to pay the true expenses for the circuit assembly.

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Special Mercy Provided to Adulterous Husbands 'if' Elders

by HiddenPimo in

so here is something else that helped me wake up -.

the elders manual - shepherd the flock of god contains a special caveat for elders who have committed adultery some time ago (not sure how many years, 'some time ago' is, but probably based on a complex formula of donations and # of assembly parts given.).

but basically, they can just get a talking to by 2 brothers and then they can keep on keeping on.

Incognito

Like King David, he was not put to death for adultery and murder although that was the Law. No exception like this for other Jews.

Blondie, does WT claim that as a scriptural example that those in higher positions within the organization, are to be given special treatment and allowances?

they care more about how it makes them look than the consequences of the 'sin,' that's why they hushed up so much child sex abuse

As the number of 'hushed-up' child abuse cases within the religion is being increasingly publicised, the reflection on the organization is now far worse and being complicit to child abuse crimes.

With abuse cover-ups becoming known in many religions, I expect JWs would have appeared much better to the public if JW congregation elders had reported cases immediately to Child Services or the Police.

I anticipate to JWs, WT in immediately involving proper authorities, would have shown positive efforts to keep each congregation 'clean'.

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Special Mercy Provided to Adulterous Husbands 'if' Elders

by HiddenPimo in

so here is something else that helped me wake up -.

the elders manual - shepherd the flock of god contains a special caveat for elders who have committed adultery some time ago (not sure how many years, 'some time ago' is, but probably based on a complex formula of donations and # of assembly parts given.).

but basically, they can just get a talking to by 2 brothers and then they can keep on keeping on.

Incognito

Stephane, what you say is true regarding Christian mercy and forgiveness.

Unfortunately, in an identical situation as outlined in the OT except involving a non-elder, rank and file JW, that person would probably not be shown any mercy and would be forced to endure a judicial committee review and likely disfellowshipping.

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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

by UnshackleTheChains in

i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

you can't write this stuff.

right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

Incognito

While I personally have no interest in what he does, TM3 is a prominent leader of a religious organization which places obligations on members to always worry about how their actions will reflect on Jehovah's name (in reality, the org's name) and to not do anything which may reflect negatively or stumble others. 'Others' include not only other JWs but also, people of 'the world' which includes exJWs.

The interest in this topic on this forum alone seems to indicate many members here are astounded if not stumbled by the quantity and expense of alcohol purchased.

Would it be a positive witness if people of the world saw a JW minister and leader of the WT organization buying that quantity of alcohol? How would the average taxpayer consider anyone that has taken a vow of poverty, spending a substantial sum on alcohol?

This same religion with little more than hearsay, will often cause an investigation or form a JC to pursue punishment of members that are accused of sins, regardless of circumstances. A JC may be formed for sexual impropriety with the only evidence presented is a married member being seen eating alone with someone of the opposite sex that is not their spouse or, a member's vehicle being observed parked overnight nearby to the residence of another member of the opposite sex.

JWs are instructed to lead a simple life and to be generous to the organization. Even JW children are 'encouraged' to donate what little they have.

JWs are not to think too much of themselves but are to always live their life to God's glory and benefit.

As a leader that establishes rules for the entire organization worldwide and requires the enforcement of those rules, it is not surprising he and all other GB members will be closely observed and criticised by exJWs, for behaviour and actions which would not be considered appropriate for other members.

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Hot sale of KHall to Christendom!!!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

jw
friends

anybody has more info please share.. lee nyc brokers baychester sale from bronx congregation.

march 29,2019. lee & associates nyc’s alfonso holloman has arranged the sale of 1575 e. gun hill rd., between kingsland and mickle avenues, in the bronx’s baychester neighborhood.

inner court sanctuary praise palace paid $1.28 million to acquire the 5,092-square-foot property from jehovah’s witnesses.. the property will serve as a place of worship for the congregation, which is relocating from 1660 e. gun hill rd.

Incognito

Yes Ding, KHs are 'Dedicated' to Jehovah when they are obtained and used for Jehovah's service. Those same KHs are then seemingly 'undedicated' not by God but by men when the building no longer serves the needs of the org or, a sale of the property will result in significant income for the org.

This is unlike what happens to any person who dedicates himself to the org, as demonstrated by baptism. Even if that person later learns the JW religion is not God's chosen religion, she/he cannot undedicate himself or leave without consequences which are often significant if they have other family members who are JWs.

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Giving fake address to elder

by Addison0998 in

so i got married a few weeks ago, living a great life now with my husband, he was definitely the perfect guy for me :) but anyways, we are going to work on slowly fading, going to meetings once a week or every two weeks, and then in a few months move to a hall where nobody knows our families and the elders hardly know each other, and fade out a lot more.

but an elder asked for our address, which we didn’t feel comfortable giving him, because we don’t want any unexpected visits to “shepard” us, when we miss a few meetings, because they already text us when we miss 2 meetings in a row, which we had just gotten back from our honeymoon 🙄 so we “accidentally” gave him the wrong apartment number.

so if they ever come pokin around they will be lost, and if they call or text us we will just have an excuse for not replying.

Incognito

Why go through the motions of fading? If you both no longer wish to be JWs, don't continue attending.

If you are actually moving, another option would be to attend your current congregation one last time, but tell the elders you are moving to another location from where you actually will be going. You could request they send your records to a congregation in the fake location.

Attend the fake congregation a few times to pretend you have moved there, but right away ask they request your records from your prior congregation. Let-on that you are currently living at a temporary location so until your permanent residence is settled, you can't provide an address. Within a month, your records should arrive but as you are not well known, once you stop attending, they will likely forget about you and what you look like.

Change your mobile numbers to stop the texts, and be choosy about who you provide those numbers to.

If you have JW family remaining in your current congregation, there always remains a potential the elders will mention your new congregation, or will ask your family member for your contact information. Any good JW will submit to an elder's request, even if you request/demand that your contact info is not to be shared with anyone.

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Ending Bible Study

by Maria Nieves in

i have been studying with jehovah's witnesses for approximately two years.

initially, i liked the studies and felt that i was growing closer to god.

however, as the studies progressed, they seemed to become increasingly negative and i did not like what i was being taught.

Incognito

If she knew that I was on this site, she would label me an Apostate.

Not really true since you are still only studying and were never baptised as a JW. They will however say that you are being influenced by Apostates (referring to most people on this site who were JWs previously).

You seem to be concerned with being labeled an Apostate. Why do you care how they (JWs) think or label you?

JWs label everyone, including their own members. You are currently a 'Study'. JWs are often 'Publishers', 'Pioneers', 'Ministerial Servants', 'Elders (+ sub labels such as COBE)' ,"Circuit Overseer", 'Missionary', 'Bethelite'. Then there are the negatives: 'Marked', 'On Reproof', 'Disassociated', 'Disfellowshipped', 'Oppostate'.

As a 'Study', even if you do not question or say anything negative about the JW religion or beliefs, if you do not become a baptised JW, JWs will continue to label you as 'worldly' and therefore, not worthy.