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since the elder is out i have to conduct tonight!.
any suggestion on subtle little comments i can get away with when we study page 143 thru 147?
It looks to me that dacheech is only attempting to place a few droplets of TRUTH into the study. Aren't the witnesses suppose to be questioning what they are being taught? He is showing them a little more than what is in the paragraph (which is not a lie!!!).
bryan
rev.
verse 18 .
and the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.
So tell me myelaine... how do these scriptures make you feel?
Dr. McGlothin
well the title of my subject seems a bit pathetic, but i truly am in need of friendship.
my whole life and marriage have been turned upside down with my husband "studying" with a jehovah's witness.
he hasnt done a lot of meeting with this man, but he does believe all their doctrine.
(((((((((((2000))))))))))))
I'm sorry for your sadness. I agree with all the prior post. The Watchtower Bible & Track Society had built their club quite well. Anytime a witness hits a snag in their life, feels presure about their faith, they are well trained to think it is the devil trying to pry them out of God's safe kingdom halls.
Reverse psycology as with children, I think, works the best (I'm am not a doctor, just my opinion). If in your studies, you can't help your hubby see the real "truth", then you may need to let him do his thing while you make sure you and your daughter have your thing. Acting as though you really don't care. There are several people here living this way.
You have many friends here,
Bryan
Yes,
His name was Michael Galloway. In '92 I think he was in his 40s. Very odd guy. People always wispered about him. He was upset once because in East Texas we all say, "Sir". He was tired of being called sir because, he said, sir was derived of "sire". Which means a stud horse. He didn't like being called a stud horse, so there were several back room meetings about this.
Back in '92 I fell off a scaffold onto the concrete. Ended up with a brain injury (closed head). I had married a good little dub girl just 3 months prior. Within 8 months she gives me divorce papers and kicks me out of the house (I'm still recovering). We had to meet the elders. In the meeting she even said, "I can't take his problems anymore." I had very bad mood swings. We were both publically reproved. Michael Galloway (our anointed bro) sat in on the meeting. I later talked to him and said, "It looks like to me that unless I can prove to you that my head is screwed up, I am guilty. I'm guilty untill I can prove myself innocent." He said, "I'm sorry, but that about the way it is."
Shouldn't he have been able to see through my head? He was/is of the anointed ya' know.
Bryan
this happened a few times, back in the 70's, in the congregation that i went to.
there were a few families who were jw's, divorced and remarried, had (physical anyway) custody of their children, but the divorced spouse was non-believing and wanted their rights to the children.. one family, when the father of the children went to court to get custody of the kids, picked up and fled the country.
we later learned they were in costa rica.
As I was working on my research I came upon a great piece of work submitted to the United Nations Convention on Child Rights
June 9, 1999. Written by by Nancy Faulkner, Ph.D.
It is a long read, but as I followed through I saw myself all over it. It has really helped me to understand myself today after being kidnapped as a child and not finding my mother until I was 33 years old.
I suggest anyone who is a victim of parental abduction to read it.
http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Abuse/socum/articles/parental_abduction.htm
Thanks,
Bryan
well, folks, this will be my last post here on the board.
it?s only been a short time but i feel i?ve gotten what i needed and now its time to move on.
thank you all very much for your support these last couple of months; they?ve been monumental and necessary but extremely rough as well.
Good for you doogie. Come back later and say hello, let us know how you're doing.
Good luck!
Bryan
i wanted to say hello and introduce myself.
i am probably one of the longest lurkers here ever.
i've been lurking for almost three years now, and i enjoy reading a lot of the posts.
Welcome momof4,
Look forward to hearing more from you.
Bryan
well just for this evening at least.
i havent posted on here in a few weeks due to not having a computer and only a webtv, i just thought i would check in and say hi, and let everyone know im still around.
i went to florida over 2 weeks ago and barely got out before hurricane frances hit.
Be safe in TN Dave.
Take care,
Bryan
my name is nigel.i am 50,married with five kids,early teens to late 20,s.i live in the bush in australia.i have cruised this site for a couple of months & feel comfortable enough to talk now.those of you who were long term jw,s will understand that.only my direct family know what i am about to tell.i have never told anyone else as they would not understand.i was born a jw in the u.k. and some of my first memories are of going door to door.i was scalded when i was 4 & i remember some brothers coming to see me.my parents emigrated when i was 13 as my dad didn,t get on with the inlaws.my dad drank a bit at home at home & was violent.it was never spoken about outside of the family and at 15 i left home.i was the eldest of four.i continued to go to meetings,lived on my own & learnt a trade.at 20 i married a good jw girl as was expected & became a regular pioneer.i was a good public speaker & as far as the congregation was concerned had a bright future.i believed in what i was doing as it was what i had been taught.when i was 22 we had a baby & was witnessing one sunday morning & was involved in a head on car accident in a 60mph zone.my wife & son were minor injured but i was lucky to survive.i had many bone fractures & head injuries & i did not know who i was,what had happened,nor recognize my wife or child for 3 months.i was in hospital for 6 months.i was unable to do anything for a year.by this time i was in financial difficulty & due to this & my mental state grabbed what i could get in court,which was not much.during this time no one helped...no one.i continued to go to the meetings but my heart was gone & the downhill slide had started.over the next 7 to 8 years i worked a normal job but started to drink & by mid 80s was not attending meetings.my wife was a good jw & did not understand my feelings.although i had much respect for her & still do,by this stage we had 3 kids,& there was a chasm between us.i knew that i was affecting my wife but she would never divorce me.so i figured the best way was to give them all the reason not to want me around.i was called to the meeting & i told the elders how i felt & that even i did not know why.disfellowshiped.fair enough.we divorced late 80s.she married an elder.i married a so say worldly person.about 3 or 4 years later my new wife & i had 2 kids & were getting along fine.i had started talking to dad but i did not want to go back to meetings.my dad was disfellowshiped for smoking & could not give it up.he became ill & very depressed.he overdosed on anti depressants.my mum knew what he had done & left him on the floor for 24 hours before calling an ambo.she rang me when he was dead.i don,t talk to her any more.she remains a jw.no comment.my sisters are jw,s.
nobody talks anymore but.three weeks after dad died my brother had a lot of problems,financial,legal & grief.he was only 29.he shot himself.i buried two in three weeks.and so began a new chapter in my life...violence.and baby wasn,t i good at it.i king hit everyone within arms length for a year.didn,t lose a fight,the anger was immense.did the maximum weekend detention,lost my job,my second wife took the kids & went.
understandable.i held a gun in my mouth so hard i bled for two days.but i couldn,t do it.i love my present wife & kids & i believed that jehovah would understand & forgive me when i die.i did my best with what i was given.from that day i never looked back.i fixed it up with my wife & we get on great.my three oldest kids to my 1st wife are jw,s but i see a bit of them.my wife now hasn,t much time for religion.understandable.she is a nurse.i don,t work any more.i still look outside & appreciate what god has done for us but i don,t need other people to feel that.too much damage done.i don,t slag the witnesses nor the wts.their business what they do.i just don,t agree with the procedure of df,s and the climate of fear & guilt.i have seen much & will contribute where i can.you seem like a decent bunch.good luck to you all.nigel
Jst2laws
Did I miss some other clue or is Nigel your dad?
Actually my father is the one who raised me in the truef. He also kidnapped me at age two. Nigel is not my father. I'm sure he's a much nicer person.
Bryan
my name is nigel.i am 50,married with five kids,early teens to late 20,s.i live in the bush in australia.i have cruised this site for a couple of months & feel comfortable enough to talk now.those of you who were long term jw,s will understand that.only my direct family know what i am about to tell.i have never told anyone else as they would not understand.i was born a jw in the u.k. and some of my first memories are of going door to door.i was scalded when i was 4 & i remember some brothers coming to see me.my parents emigrated when i was 13 as my dad didn,t get on with the inlaws.my dad drank a bit at home at home & was violent.it was never spoken about outside of the family and at 15 i left home.i was the eldest of four.i continued to go to meetings,lived on my own & learnt a trade.at 20 i married a good jw girl as was expected & became a regular pioneer.i was a good public speaker & as far as the congregation was concerned had a bright future.i believed in what i was doing as it was what i had been taught.when i was 22 we had a baby & was witnessing one sunday morning & was involved in a head on car accident in a 60mph zone.my wife & son were minor injured but i was lucky to survive.i had many bone fractures & head injuries & i did not know who i was,what had happened,nor recognize my wife or child for 3 months.i was in hospital for 6 months.i was unable to do anything for a year.by this time i was in financial difficulty & due to this & my mental state grabbed what i could get in court,which was not much.during this time no one helped...no one.i continued to go to the meetings but my heart was gone & the downhill slide had started.over the next 7 to 8 years i worked a normal job but started to drink & by mid 80s was not attending meetings.my wife was a good jw & did not understand my feelings.although i had much respect for her & still do,by this stage we had 3 kids,& there was a chasm between us.i knew that i was affecting my wife but she would never divorce me.so i figured the best way was to give them all the reason not to want me around.i was called to the meeting & i told the elders how i felt & that even i did not know why.disfellowshiped.fair enough.we divorced late 80s.she married an elder.i married a so say worldly person.about 3 or 4 years later my new wife & i had 2 kids & were getting along fine.i had started talking to dad but i did not want to go back to meetings.my dad was disfellowshiped for smoking & could not give it up.he became ill & very depressed.he overdosed on anti depressants.my mum knew what he had done & left him on the floor for 24 hours before calling an ambo.she rang me when he was dead.i don,t talk to her any more.she remains a jw.no comment.my sisters are jw,s.
nobody talks anymore but.three weeks after dad died my brother had a lot of problems,financial,legal & grief.he was only 29.he shot himself.i buried two in three weeks.and so began a new chapter in my life...violence.and baby wasn,t i good at it.i king hit everyone within arms length for a year.didn,t lose a fight,the anger was immense.did the maximum weekend detention,lost my job,my second wife took the kids & went.
understandable.i held a gun in my mouth so hard i bled for two days.but i couldn,t do it.i love my present wife & kids & i believed that jehovah would understand & forgive me when i die.i did my best with what i was given.from that day i never looked back.i fixed it up with my wife & we get on great.my three oldest kids to my 1st wife are jw,s but i see a bit of them.my wife now hasn,t much time for religion.understandable.she is a nurse.i don,t work any more.i still look outside & appreciate what god has done for us but i don,t need other people to feel that.too much damage done.i don,t slag the witnesses nor the wts.their business what they do.i just don,t agree with the procedure of df,s and the climate of fear & guilt.i have seen much & will contribute where i can.you seem like a decent bunch.good luck to you all.nigel
Welcome Nigel.
It's amazing to me how so many of us, as we have grown older, are able to look back on our lives and see it as a story book. Almost as a text book. We see that because this happened, it led to this. This incedent led to this depression. As we trace back... it most all leads to the WT.
Thanks dad.
Bryan
