my 22 year old, married daughter came by to visit this weekend.
she was baptised 12 years ago - when she was only 10 years old.
... as a parent... what was i thinking back then?!
jgnat...
My daughter is Canadian (as am I). This happened in the province of British Columbia.
seven006...
You're right... but I am always open to another perspective. It helps me stay out of 'denial'. LOL
blondie...
If this qualifies as child abuse, I don't think my daughter (or even myself) knows it is. My instinct says it is - but I can't describe the 'crime' or 'offence'. On what grounds does this qualify as such? (verbally - how is this defined or explained to her?!)
Thanks!
NO... denial
my 22 year old, married daughter came by to visit this weekend.
she was baptised 12 years ago - when she was only 10 years old.
... as a parent... what was i thinking back then?!
My 22 year old, married daughter came by to visit this weekend. She was baptised 12 years ago - when she was only 10 years old. (I know! ... As a parent... what was I thinking back then?!) I was a young ambitious Ministerial Servant, aspiring to be elder at the time.
My daughter told me yesterday about her experience of going through her baptismal questions with the elders. She then asked me if she ever told me how "Brother So-and-so" was dressed during her review of the questions. I said I never heard about this experience of hers.
She then told me that this 55 year old 'brother' (who was the congregation overseer at the time... very pious and righteous) sat ALONE with my 10 year old daughter... dressed in his bathrobe... !! This elder was sitting directly across from my young daughter. She said that she remembers how at the innocent young age of 10, she noticed how his bathrobe kept opening up, and showing way up his thighs. My daughter tells me now that she reflects back on this experience and questions how inappropriate this was. (God!! Ya THINK??!!)
I have been sitting pondering this experience over night now. I am getting angrier and angrier as I think about it. In a congregation that typically goes out of their way to criticize and discipline those whose fashion choices do not meet with the conscience of the elders. Yet... this congregation overseer could inappropriately expose himself to my young innocent child. (it was totally innapropriate - because my daughter remembers this experience to THIS day!)
This TICKS me off!
So... now I'm wondering what to 'do' with this. My daughter is married, centered, grounded... and quite logical. I believe my daughter and son-in-law are going through the awareness exercises and observations that come before their own 'fading' from the congregation. I believe that it will happen with time. As a parent of an adult child now, I don't know what to do with this. I am not in this congregation where the elder is - and I don't know if I want to go there.
Where do my obligations (today!) start and end with my parenting?! She is an adult now - and I wonder if the correct thing is to let her be in control of the situation. If I step in and stir things up - I may alienate my daughter from the path I believe she is taking: getting the hell out of the borg. I MUST be careful here!
I'm open to comments and opinions. Thanks.
NO...denial!
genesis records that on the fifth creative day, the waters of the earth would teem with living creatures, and every winged bird would fill the sky.
at the beginning of the sixth creataive day, all the creatures that move along the ground were created.
keeping these texts in mind, i'd like to share with you some of my observations about this wonderful earth that have convinced me that the creative days of genesis were far longer than the 7,000 year long periods we were taught as jehovah's witnesses.
Welcome Rockhound
Enjoyed reading your "first post".......amazing information you have presented! Looking forward to more of your posts!!!
By the way, I enjoyed meeting you and your wife. You are great people
hugs,
Codeblue
genesis records that on the fifth creative day, the waters of the earth would teem with living creatures, and every winged bird would fill the sky.
at the beginning of the sixth creataive day, all the creatures that move along the ground were created.
keeping these texts in mind, i'd like to share with you some of my observations about this wonderful earth that have convinced me that the creative days of genesis were far longer than the 7,000 year long periods we were taught as jehovah's witnesses.
I want to be the first to WELCOME YOU TO THE BOARD!!
It's great to see you here with such amazing information.
I look forward to reading more of your posts!
NO...denial!
.............. in the process of fading.
Haven't been to a meeting in a year!
NOdenial
what do canadians have to be proud of!
1. smarties .
2. crispy crunch, coffee crisp .
Satanus...
What I really appreciated about the report that you showed was that in 1989 1.4% of the Canadian population had used cocaine in the past year. By 1994 (the most current report available..... isn't THAT amazing???!!) the rate had dropped to .07%.
I wonder why there aren't more current statistics on this topic... and what they really are today.
Thanks for the link!
NOdenial
what do canadians have to be proud of!
1. smarties .
2. crispy crunch, coffee crisp .
Sorry Satanus...
I realized my error and changed my comment ... but you already replied! LOL
Thanks
NOdenial
what do canadians have to be proud of!
1. smarties .
2. crispy crunch, coffee crisp .
Satanus...
Incredible reply! I love it!
You are absolutely correct: 90%of the Canadian population live within 200 miles of the US border! This truly affects Canada's ability to prosper as well as the USA does.
I also agree that the crack problem is confined to a small demographic of the Canadian population. I am curious where you found your statistic of crack cocaine use in Canada compared to the US, and I am curious what more recent findings are (not ten years old). I find this fascinating - and surprising!
As I understood it... Canadians had an easier access to cocaine due to the ability to trade their Canadian grown (and condsidered 'superior grade') marijuana pound for pound for cocaine. American's didn't have that ability.
Thanks for the comments!
NOdenial
what do canadians have to be proud of!
1. smarties .
2. crispy crunch, coffee crisp .
Good reply boa!
You are right... your comments were very mild and I probably shouldn't have included you in that list. Sorry for that. I'm all good with us too. :)
I don't expect everyone to agree with the comments that I made. However, when I provided newspaper articles and other sources that support the extent of the issue(s) in Canada, I am not expressing 'opinion'! When I am told that I am uttering "bullshitBullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. Absolute and utter ****ing nonsense" (as one individual expressed it), then I ask you, boa: "WHO is the arrogant one?!"
It was for this reason that I persued the topic.
Nonetheless, boa. I appreciate your comments and the polite and respectful way in which you expressed it.
Shotgun: I was fascinated by the immigration statistics as well. The reason I brought it up is to demonstrate that many Canadians (not just me) are finding a greater opportunity in the USA than in Canada. (thus the trend to immigrate south). If Jgnat's formula is correct, then in an average year, there are about 3 times as many people immigrating to the USA than the US immigrating to Canada. If Canada's population is 5.5% that of the USA's (as jgnat suggests) - then that means that:
Per capita, ... (notice I said per capita!) there are approximately 55 times more people moving to the States than American's moving to Canada.
I see a message in that! Don't you?
Respectfully,
NOdenial
PS boa... If people choose not to consider me a 'friend' when I honestly show them what I see, then the problem is theirs not mine. I would rather have friends that are willing to consider another person's observations instead of the ol' JW idea of "I don't wanna hear it - it embarrasses me or makes me uncomfortable". I still consider you my friend though, boa. I believe you are at least objectively looking at the topic. I know this is sensitive for all Canadians (including me!). That's why I brought it up.
i've been reading many threads here in the past few days.
feels good to know other people think like me.
i'll give you a little background on me.
Wonderful commentary on your experience.
Thanks for sharing. Welcome to the forum!
NOdenial
