i just recieved this note from one of our faithful and discreet slaves... keep an eye out for the march 2005 km.
word is that the awake will only be published once a month starting in january 2006.. sincerely,.
district overbeer.
If that's true, it will be earth-shaking news at dubland. But they will rationalize it away, anyway, saying that it will be "simplification" since "the day is drawing near".
Moreover, it will fulfill the prophecies of a few posters here, like Metatron.
Neo
when a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.
with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.
are sincere but misguided.
Stradman,
You have a message in your JWD inbox.
___________________
This thread is an excellent discussion! I hope to post here later.
Neo
i think it's kind of funny.
how do they explain more people this year than lasts?
i thought the number was suppose to get lower as they died off?
If an Anointed One falls away and is replaced. What happens if they return to the WTS? Do they come as part of the Great Crowd or an Anointed One?
The WT never goes into that. They avoid the "anointed/partakers" issue as much as possible, and so they don't feel a need to give a straight answer on that question, keeping the entire subject "cloudy" in the Witnesses' minds.
So for every Anointed that was baptist after 1935 (or at least from 1970) an Anointed must have fallen away.
The 1970 date is not important in the context, it's just the year when Franz delivered the talk that dealt with the matter of "replacements".
and they got pics too!
i think it's kind of funny.
how do they explain more people this year than lasts?
i thought the number was suppose to get lower as they died off?
Somewhere I read that for a "Anointed One" to be replaced, the original Anointed One had to die apostate. Can anyone help me with this.If no one can tell if the above is correct, can anyone say that it is incorrect?
That's not official WT doctrine. They say that a replacement is only necessary when someone "anointed" leaves the faith ("falls away").
*** w99 2/1 19 Our Treasure in Earthen Vessels ***
?No More Additions!?
At a Gilead graduation in 1970, Frederick Franz, then vice-president of the Watch Tower Society, told the students of the possibility that they, who were all of the other sheep with earthly hopes, might baptize someone who might claim to be of the anointed remnant. Could this happen? Well, he explained that John the Baptist was of the other sheep, and he baptized Jesus and some of the apostles. Then he went on to ask whether there still was a call for gathering in more of the remnant. ?No, no more additions!? he said. ?That call ended way back there in 1931-35! There are no more additions. Who, then, are the few newly associated ones who are partaking of the Memorial emblems? If they are of the remnant, they are replacements! They are, not additions to the ranks of the anointed, but replacements for those who may have fallen away.?
Going by that rule, we can say that most members of the precious "anointed class" actually end up being unfaithful and being "replaced", since the call ended in 1935 and there are still thousands partaking (when at least 75% should have had already died, taking as basis a normal mortality rate).
Neo
-it's been awhile o.k .
so at 17 i made the quick decison to just stop carrying around my blood card.
i don't think i realized it then but i think that was when i decided to just free myself from the society.
I would love for someone to scan the card
I second that. It would be much welcome.
Neo
and they got pics too!
All these people must have skipped the last assemblies, where it was explicitly said "do not go on JW or internet dating sites"!
I think it was not in all assemblies, but I'm not sure. Either way, most simply don't care, just like when Society says you should not have a webpage about the Witness religion.
BTW, many of those in JWConnections are fake... (Ssshh! Don't tell anybody, but some of them are actually apostates in disguise! )
and they got pics too!
Sure I can see a Kingdom smile on her face:
'Wanna go on a return visit with me, sis?'
after all the events of 2004 regarding the botchtower, what do you think will happen next year?.
i can think of a few events.. first of all, 70 years will have passed since rutherflawed took on the name "jehovah's witnesses" - a gross misapplication of that scripture in isaiah.. all the new man presses will be operational - already, the wt have increased their watchtower circulation.. "godly obedience" district convention next summer - we all know what that will be about; and don't forget the layman's km article on how to book a hotel, and not just any hotel at that either.. a new book to replace "organised to accomplish our ministry".
bro barr of the governing body turns 100 (i think this is correct).
it makes you wonder when exactly the governing body and their lawyers decided to change the "generation of 1914" doctrine.
the first quotation below is from the 1992 wt and the second one from the 1993 brochure the purpose of life, just two lousy years before they imfamously dropped the whole idea:
*** w92 5/1 p. 7 the 1914 generation?why significant?
Alan,
in late 1993, I mentioned this to GB member Albert Schroeder, and he confirmed that, indeed, lots more changes were forthcoming.
Indeed, if it were dependent upon him, the generation change would have come much sooner. As we know, he wanted to change the doctrine long before it became such an embarrassment to the WT, as we learn from Ray's account on CoC. He, alongside with Grant Suiter and Karl Klein, came up with that weird new light about "this generation' starting in 1957, an idea that never got published and that would have bought them a lot more time.
This episode illustrates perfectly the extremely conservative spirit that's prevalent within the GB. They made the change only when Fred Franz was out of the way (the Mat 24/Mrk 13/Luk 21 talk came up about five or six months after he died) and when the expiring time for the "generation's" duration pushed them that way. The latter is the real reason why they made the change.
I have no doubt that a great deal of wrangling and wringing of the hands went on between Writing and the GB back then
Yes, and certainly Ted Jaracz and Lloyd Barry were among the last ones to relinquish their positions. They only did so because doing otherwise would be supremely ridiculous for them.
BTW, I wonder how much editing and reviewing the 1995 article went through...
The above is a lesson for those of us who may expect a softening of GB's current stance on blood, shunning and other polemic issues anytime soon. The changes will come sooner or later, but only when it is their last resort, and they feel pressured to do so. An invisible power struggle in Brooklyn will take place before each of these changes come about.
Neo
